Harassment

I have been here just 7 days and everyday I have been really harassed by several individuals who I have never known.

These people have attacked me personally as well as Ecademy and not even done it in a professional critical manner. It has been constant repetitive behaviour.

The owner of Last Thursday just today posted in my LinkedIn group that I have had for 3 years and personally threw phrases like "if you want help don't call me" in. Is this a network that people actually join with individuals like that. We're these people actually bullies at school is Last Thursday a club for bullies? I am sure it has things to offer but people like that exist in any network including this one I for one will not join or tolerate it on Ecademy no matter what the payment is.

Imagine a complete stranger coming up to you in the street and starts abusing you, that's what it's like.

No one deserves the grief I have got and still getting from these sort of people. It's so wrong and very worrying and not being funny I have a family and it's worrying.

So, if you know them please tell them to stop I am collating it all and will use it for PR and send to all social networks were they exist.

Let's keep the place clean and professional so we can all share in the success of social networking and media as a whole even them.

Really no need for it.

Thank you please pass the message on.

Lyndon

Clare Evans

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Harassment

Lyndon - unfortunately you've taken over a platform that has a strong and fairly dark history and comes with a lot of baggage. The history is primarily linked to the previous owners and comes with a lot of passion and emotion. The mere mention of Ecademy can result in emotional reactions. The subject of harassment, online bullying and trolls has been raised many times in the past and is obviously not going to go away. Just because the platform is under new ownership doesn't mean that the slate has instantly been wiped clean. People have long memories and while they still feel aggrieved they will continue to react. Unless Ecademy can become an open, honest and supportive community - taking the best of what it once was and leaving the worst behind, people will keep bringing up the past. However, with so many members, there will inevitably be a difference of opinion, heated and lively debates and a clash of personalities - it just needs to be done with a degree of respect. Clare

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David Holroyd-Doveton

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Harassment

Why, why, why? We all now live in a small world. We may have different opinions, and we should be allowed to express our opinions. But we must not be rude, insulting or threatening. There is no place for this online or offline. Be civilised and respect everyone for the good of the network. David

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Marcus Cauchi Sales Management Training

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Harassment

Fay, you're right. The best advice is to steer well clear of toxic people. So often, when we actually listen to people and give them a chance to exhale what's making them angry, they are open to understanding your position. In Lyndon's case, he's taking flack for a fight that isn't his. He had nothing to do with the 14 years of infighting and open hostilities. Forgive my bluntness Lyndon, but I feel you made several very understandable tactical errors in how you have handled these people. So often, when I find myself "defending" myself the other person feels like I'm attacking. And I am hearing them attack me when they think they're defending themselves. Ghandi got it pretty much right when he said that "In a world where you take an eye for an eye, the whole world will become blind and toothless." I deal with this kind of thing in companies every day. And we get past this kind of conflict quickly. But it usually requires the person who is blaming and complaining about what they don't want changing their behaviour first. Assertive vulnerability is the most powerful position we can take. It's not weakness. You are absolutely setting yourself up to be wounded further. That takes courage and strength which others frequently begin to mirror. I'm curious about something. Fay, I don't suppose there's any way that someone who is known and trusted by both sides of the fight can broker a ceasefire to see if this can be resolved to everyone's satisfaction? Who might you suggest? Is it even worth it?

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Marcus Cauchi Sales Management Training

marcuscauchi-72872

Remember Bruce Lee

When asked the best way to avoid a punch he replied, "Be somewhere else". Good advice. Ther's no reason to heed it of course. What's the best alternative?

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Mike "Magic" Segall

newbusinessgeneration-31063

Honesty and Ethics

"http://www.ecademy.com/node.php?id=179670/a">Honesty and Ethics

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John L. Evans

locris-23877

Harassment - Oxygen

Same old, same old..... Like terrorists who's objective is simply to make you change your way of life for fear of their next unknown action, the people to whom your refer are simply seeking to disrupt. By starting and contributing to this, we (all) let them win. Deny the oxygen of publicity. Of course one man's bully is another's 'outstanding networker', which is another problem that ecademy suffers (like the real world). Ecademy also, inadvertently, plays home to 'gangs' who, like shivers of sharks, engage in the occasional feeding frenzy when one of them feels (even slightly) threatened. The solution is simple, however, it is also, potentially, unpalatable - a lock down network requiring positive id to 'join' and / or remain. Thomas went some way towards this with the ""Safe Networking" badge"; problem is some of us will not pay to prove who we are when a) we're paying / rated / power / star members, or b) long, long time members, c) well known individuals, d) tight! :-) I suggest a combination of solutions, for example - a probationary period, election requiring full member verification / sponsorship, the "Safe Networking" badge, paying member with verified funds source, BS, etc. Facebook tells us it has 83M faux accounts - ecademy is bound to have some dormant or dead (sorry) accounts, and some 'sleepers'. And then it will have the deliberate frauds and trouble makers - bear in mind a trouble maker may not necessarily be undesirable, but an anonymous or false persona may well be. There are plenty of unpleasant real people in the world, and there are bound to be one or two here. Have a clean out - write to everyone, go through a staged parking process - email - SMS text - ping via another network - park - 12 months inactivity - archive. Just some thoughts, but it saddens me greatly to see the new management being drawn into picking up from where the old management left off. I often refer to the behaviours of consenting adults in networking situations, problem is, an adult is considered to be someone above a certain age, and, as we all know, there are some very childish minds in here who are way above the age of majority. Lastly, whilst there will be a temptation for some to respond to this, that is not my purpose - as I said above, remove the oxygen - don't continue this thread. However, because some people might find that too challenging, I have posted this into another thread, here: http://www.ecademy.com/node.php?id=179656 Please, don't respond, but if you must..... Cheers John PS. A clear out may well solve other problems, and may reduce the operations and support costs, improve the quality of membership, and increase revenue.

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Richard J Francis

richardfrancis1-363696

Standards, balance & respect..

Maybe harassment is aided by the absence of these three things? Standards - help improve communication. Clearly make your point, and make it so the whole world community can hear it. Recently - I've noticed I use far too much 'UK slang and references' in my blogs. This is pretty rude to people who don't live in the UK - and I'm working hard on that now. Balance - helps gain perspective. I don't mind people strongly disagreeing with me - as long as it's reasoned around the issue - and not me. As Mike perfectly stated: "it's the ball - not the person". What makes this community unique is we can tackle some serious and emotive stuff - and come up with answers. 99% of the people in that process aren't being paid either - they want to do it. Respect - is how you prevent wars starting. I recently disagreed with you Lyndon on another blog - and made clear why. Hopefully you saw that as respectful. I don't think there is harm in challenging people around an issue. What's not acceptable is when someone 'ties' you with the issue to make their point. Commenting on your race, your creed, your position as a means of justifying their vitriol. I believe in peaceful protest via discussion and appropriate action - not anarchy. I haven't seen much evidence of anarchy solving anything in my half century. Final point Lyndon - as Dan Priestley refers to it - being chairman (or key person of influence) in anything means you will attract attention you'd rather not. He refers to it as having a '1st world problem'. You won't stop anyone hating you - because haters will exist if banned from ecademy or not. Banning them may be even more likely to drive them to worse actions. Be clear what you stand for - and help create a community that adheres to standards everyone is behind. The haters & other assorted miscreants will disappear into the background soon enough. Don't even open the door (by talking) about people harming your family. That would be a police matter - and if people are so deranged they'd even contemplate such action - there are plenty of channels to deal with such people. It's early days - and you are finding your feet. It probably isn't pleasant to get this stuff when you have paid for the privilege! Over the next few weeks - I believe you'll find most people on this forum happy to support you raise standards, create balance and cultivate respect.

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Mick Say

micksay

I'd like to say...

Hi Lyndon I'd like to say ignore them, but unfortunately they will not go away and will continue to spin their evil. I've suggested in the past that we should have a process for identifying members who "do not add value" to the community and terminate their membership. There is no excuse for bullying or lying in our community and we should have, if not a zero tolerance attitude - a three counts and your out rule. I think that we have suffered this for long enough and now would be a good time to write something into our rules and regs. There is clearly a difference between > Having a difference of opinion which we are all entitled to and bullying, lying and harassment. Looking forward to see how you handle this in the future. Have a great weekend Mick

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Lyndon Wood

Lyndon

Harassment

A real shame folks 13 posts removed on a post called Harassment talking about abuse. An interesting education for me. Thanks You Lyndon

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Mike Briercliffe

mikebriercliffe-10069

Harassment

The big issue here is definition. A dig in the ribs from one person is a punch in the ribs from another. INTENT is the thing that has to be established to decide it the offending posts are "Bullying" or "Harassment" or "Trolling". At least that's what I think. If the intent is actually MALintent, then we, who are the ones who know far, far more about how to fix this than any law enforcement agency, should simply FIX it. Crowd-sourcing a fix is the way to go. :-)

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Stella Holman "The Connector"

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Harassment

Lyndon, I totally support you with this and quite frankly I have tried to boycott these people from all my networks. They never learn and you give them a chance to make amends and they start it all up again. They are crafty and think if they upgrade to Blackstar they can get away with things. I have been bullied myself in my life but not anymore, I am going to stand up to them with you and help you and those who stand with you to fight your cause so please don't bow down to intimidation and transfer these people over to the new site! Best wishes. Stella Holman

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Fay Olinsky

personalchef-34218

Harassment .....Same old ...same old!

Things don't change much here do they? No matter how long you stay away the same old rubbish gets churned over and over. You will never stop harrassment here because there are vulnerable people, there are people who think they are bigger than the rest, and the others just sit back and watch. f

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Tina Jonasen

thinkinnewareas

Harassment

Now you are the only Boss here, maybe you can get rid of some of the worst bullies that have had "too long a line" till now (if you ask me ;-) Best of luck!!!

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CHRIS VOSS

chrisvoss

Harassment

Trolls are sadly everywhere. I've had people tell me to commit suicide. I'd love to add you to my Linkedin and am curious what your Linkedin Group is. Chris

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Lyndon Wood

Lyndon

Harassment

See this link courtesy of TP http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/9451514/Twitter-must-tackle-trolls-say-police.html# If you cant get the link to work copy and paste it please to read :(

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LaRae Wilkins

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Harassment

As someone who has endured bullying most of my life, I've got to say I'm not impressed with peoples reactions here on either side of the argument. Finger pointing and calling people names shouldn't even be allowed to happen on school playgrounds, let alone in a space where people profess to be adults. If you don't like what someone says, ignore it .All fuel for the flames are then extinguished and rational heads rule the day. Threats of retaliation and the desire to harm others just because they disagree is most unbecoming in anyone over the age of six.

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Simon Dixon

simondixon4-491062

Harassment

These people are crazy. Come on , we are all here to do business, lets get on with it and it's a lot easier to do it when we support each other. If you don't like what somebody is doing and it does not effect you, what is the point. This is a real nasty side to the beauty of social media. Just bar them. Simon Dixon CEO BankToTheFuture.com

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Mike Turner

miketurner

Zero tolerance for bullying

Here's my take on bullying You can count on my support Mike

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Julia McDaid

juliamcdaid-47153

Harassment

Very happy to hear that repeated personal attacks will not be tolerated in the new Ecademy There are only a few people who constantly criticise and take things to a personal level, yet they can spoil the atmosphere for everyone. Healthy debate is fine, and of course we are never going to all have the same opinions, its when it moves beyond this and becomes unpleasant then its too much. I am firmly in the ignore them camp, when its in blogs, without a response there can be no further continuation. By responding we just open up another opportunity for more. When it is outright personal attacks, no we don't need those people, on any network.

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Tim O'Donnell

timothyodonnell-178622

Harassment

Why don't we all join the linkedin group and show them that there are some positive sides to ecademy and that the majority of us are working to make Lyndon successful? I have put the link here and above (as I have joined the group) but if you prefer to keep the goup separate from Ecademy I can take them out.

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Mike Morrison

rapidbi

Harassment

Hi Lyndon no one should be subject to that.. here or anywhere In my linkedin group (which has 14k+ people and 100s of active ones) we have a zero tolerance of anyone who plays the player rather than the ball. I have also been subjected to this here - and unfortunatly some people seem to think that "robust" discussion is not bullying - it is when you play the player. I hope that your unfortunate experiences help you to stop that behaviour here too.

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Tim O'Donnell

timothyodonnell-178622

Dear Lyndon

Nobody should be bullied - ever - period! Last Thursday is not a club for bullies, it is a group of very diverse people. You will probably find that one of our Blackstar memebers here, possibly one of the few people to make any serious money ou of Ecademy, is also a very active member over there. The Mr. Lawrence Perry, who has recently criticised Last Thursday here is very likely the same Mr. Lawrence Perry who applied this week to join Last Thursday. I will pass on your message to them about the fact that you are collating material on them to be used against them in PR but not doubt they will tell me that they are doing the same. I did read on your Linkedin group the message from John Howitt which was later deleted and I have to say that it did not appear in any way as an attack on you. It did read as very critical about the previous way Ecademy was run and if I remember correctly it started off by wishing you well. It would help the new ethos of ecademy honesty and transparency if you could post the complete message. You have a tough job to do and I hope you succeed. I pay money to be a member here and would like to see that my the costs of my membershp and time are more than paid for. Stay calm and wait for August to pass before making too many judgements. Time often gives us a wider view of what is going on around us and, in networking, who really are good guys and who really are "neg heads". Onwards and upwards

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Andreas Wiedow

andreas_wiedow

Harassment

Lyndon, This make an interesting read in the light of your recent Challenge: Speak Postive Stay Positive Read On... Question: How does that fit ? It may or may not have attracted a first follow-up blog Cyber Bulling Should Not Be Tolerated Edit: And yet another one . . . Two types of bullies End edit. PR sure is a good move as are other ways to deal with attacks and the like. Don't get me wrong, I am all for defending myself and my family as well when it comes to. But posting it on your own website ? Inquisitive.

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Tim O'Donnell

timothyodonnell-178622

Dear Lawrence

Would you by any chance be the same person as the Lawrence Perry who applied to join Last Thursday 2 days ago? It's not a very common name ....

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John McHugh

johnmchugh-10577

Harassment

Hi Lyndon, Sadly as you say these people do exist in all walks of life, both online and offline. Having been on the wrong end of bullying at school, it didn't help that I went to the shool my Father taught at! Identifying them has been easy over the years, however I've always been conscious of there being a lesser % on the Ecademy platform, but none the less there is always a percentage..... Anyway, all my Dad used to say was ignore them, take their spite with a pinch of salt and the ultimate insult to bullies is non-retaliation, trust me I know how hard that is sometimes, but it will only endear your character. Dad's can be so clever and wise, problem was I tended not to listen at the time, now I must empart that to my three. There are lots of fantastic people on Ecademy, allways have, always will be, my best wishes for the future, John

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Stephen Bailey

stephenbailey-133543

Harassment .. Man Up and grow some

Lyndon, Life is to short and your task is big enough that you have no time to be distracted by the "if we had some" brigade. My advice is to ignore them professionally and delegate them personally. Please hurry up and raise the price for anyone not already a Blackstar. That way you will clear out the distractors and casue everyone to focus on ROI or ROTI, eliminating the opportunity for those that just want to bitch and whinge and moan. If it helps, I am happy for you to refer those that are harassing you to me and I'll deal with them on your behalf. I am now expert at spotting the differnece between "real" bloggers and those that are using surrogate blog posters from the Asia Pacific region. Thanks Stephen

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Carolyn Williams

carolynwilliams-253741

Take Heart

Hi Lyndon, I've not long come home after a wonderful afternoon in London, getting to know a few individuals in ecademy. Most of them I had only read about through blogs online. Then Networking courtesy of FGW ;) On the train journey up, I sat next to a gorgeous couple from Maesteg and found out by chatting to them, that the husband had not long started an engineering business. He also had taken on a few young potential engineers through the Go Wales initiative. I was only to pleased to tell them your story of taking over Ecademy and followed up an idea for Martin Dewhurst. All that happened before I got to network during the Black Star lunch. That's a free spirit and nothing can touch it. Sounds as if you need to tackle these numpties through an official channel. Of course you could follow the Olympic lead and call in the army. :) Listen to Bradley Wiggins Hire a Jock? ;)x

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Helen Winder

helenwinder

Harassment

I totally support you Lyndon and agree. The last week I have become more active here on Ecademy after being a little quiet and I have to say it is like a playground. I have never known adults to be so rude. I would love to know how their businesses are going! Do they speak to their fellow colleagues or clients in the same way. It certainly does not paint a good image for them and does not aid to building their network of potential advocates or clients. Speak soon Helen

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