Quantity and/or Quality






When Penny Power conceived the idea of Ecademy February 7th 1998 she estimates she had 20 good business contacts Penny hadn't worked since 1992 she was bringing up our three children born 1992 (Hannah), 1994 (Ross), 1997 (TJ).

Today when you speak to Penny 11 years later she estimates she has 2000 good business contacts none of which she knew prior to 1998. Since that time 391,000 people have put a profile on Ecademy and 10.3m email addresses have been collected through the Ecademy Invite system.

Penny has experienced quantity in and quality out like many members on Ecademy.

Typically 10,000 people login each day to Ecademy Monday to Friday and 5,000 people login on Saturday and Sunday. It's clearly impossible to connect with all these people but can you imagine just how many people you are missing out on each day who are important contacts to you? We have to solve this problem for each of you.

One of the tools we are experimenting with is autoconnect you can read about this experiment with Ces Loftus here. What we are effectively doing is bashing (fusing) people together live and in real time and seeing what happens. Random connections live and in real time. Nuclear Fusion will supersede Nuclear Fission during the 21st century.

It is my belief that the people you don't know are of more value to you than the people you do know. I call these random connections and my thesis was born from Mark Granovetter's PhD 1973.

The Strength of Weak Ties or Interpersonal Ties theory is this:

In mathematical sociology, interpersonal ties are defined as information-carrying connections between people. Interpersonal ties, generally, come in three varieties: strong, weak, or absent. Weak social ties, it is argued, are responsible for the majority of the embeddedness and structure of social networks in society as well as the transmission of information through these networks. Specifically, more novel information flows to individuals through weak rather than strong ties. Because our close friends tend to move in the same circles that we do, the information they receive overlaps considerably with what we already know. Acquaintances, by contrast, know people that we do not, and thus receive more novel information.

Included in the definition of absent ties, according to Granovetter, are those relationships (or ties) without substantial significance, such as "nodding" relationships between people living on the same street, or the "tie", for example, to a frequent vendor one would buy from. Furthermore, the fact that two people may know each other by name does not necessarily qualify the existence of a weak tie. If their interaction is negligible the tie may be absent. The "strength" of an interpersonal tie is a linear combination of the amount of time, the emotional intensity, the intimacy (or mutual confiding), and the reciprocal services which characterize each tie.


There is obvious huge debate about quality and quantity on Ecademy and I come from the quantity argument believing that you cannot choose the right people when networking. On the contrary the so called right people choose you instead and by accident. Much like when you find your spouse or love of your life.

This is a theory I would like to prove before I die as I believe people on the whole are closed selective controlling and this prejudice and so called experience prevents them from meeting the right people for them. The right people are those who produce a better result or outcome than the people you already know.

We have had many discussions on Ecademy over the years about this here:

http://www.ecademy.com/node.php?id=112250

and here

http://www.ecademy.com/node.php?id=130461

We want these debates to continue until we can prove that quantity is more important in your networking than quality. We have run autoconnect for 30 people, free members, Power Networkers, BlackStars. Each one is experiencing something different, some negative, some positive and both unusual and unexpected. This is the random piece that people do not realize is there. The results are likely to emerge between now and Xmas we hope to roll out autoconnect (or fusion) to every member in 2010.

In order that you have more content to form your thoughts from I have included some additional articles worth pondering.

http://www.dmoz.org/newsletter/2006Spring/quantity_vs_quality.html

http://rlv.zcache.com/evil_smile_quantity_has_a_quality_all_its_own_tshirt-p235877981763980659uh79_400.jpg

http://russelldavies.typepad.com/planning/2007/02/quantity_equals.html

http://webworkerdaily.com/2009/07/02/the-value-of-twitter-followers-quality-over-quantity/

http://soshable.com/following-on-twitter-quality-vs-quantity/

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001160.html

http://sivers.org/qlq

http://snarkybehavior.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/quality_vs_quantity_of_friendships_by_age.png

http://www.fastcompany.com/resources/networking/teten-allen/010305.html?1248213883

Interestingly Swine Flu a popular or should I say unpopular topic right now is also in the centre of the quantity quality debate.

Why? Because at this juncture, quantity is more critical than quality. That will change once the pandemic is under control, but for this first wave, I think all these stocks have something going for them.

My dear thanks to Mark Sinclair of YourBusinessChannel for designing, creating and producing these summary shows of my thoughts. Thomas Power Unplugged will continue in August after our Summer break I do hope you enjoy today's show. There are 7 places remaining on my social media retreat August 20/21 and I look forward to seeing you there. One thing's for sure those 12 people will arrive completely unknown to one another and leave as lifelong contacts. Will one of them be you?

Thomas Power
Chairman Ecademy

Thomas Power

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Solveigh Calderin

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I learned in school the law from the change of quantity into a new quality... Formulated by Karl Marx, by the way. Now I learn that this law is working not only in societies, but every where, so it should be an universal law... As Thomas Power calls it: The Law of Big Numbers... I observed it a while and I thought about it - and yes, it works. Only if your network gets a high quantity of contacts and you participate a high quantity of time in it, and if you are quite active there, you can BEGIN to benefit the quality of it... "Patience" is another one magic word in social network... Solveigh Calderin Hereke Carpets - Tradition, Beauty, Luxury and Elegance Follow me on Twitter Find my personal profile and business site on Facebook Superfan

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Bill Stevenson

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Great blog keep it comming. Find more information about Secondhand office furniture here.

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Linda Bretherton

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Interesting video - gave me food for thought - thanks

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Peter Boaz Jones

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Yes, but English is the business language of the world, otherwise you wouldn't have written your post. ;-) Peter :-)

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andres ginestet

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In sociology every single person knows that both are ingredients of growing complexity. But is this complexity in any way vital and sustainable? However in sociology and system theory, the discussion now is about the following subject: The question is not that quantity and quality do matter. They obviously do matter both for different reasons. This discussion is a pure waste of time regarding the quest for common sense and knowledge. Don't look for knowledge in this debate. The reason for this blog to be is not the seeking of knowledge, except for the fact that some technical information gives some more strength to one or the other statement. What this is about is a debate about the decision wether to do hard marketing or not. Ant or human. This is robot versus human in a basic way. What is being done here is a complexity growth with no human purpose that ends in a political discussion or debate towards principles of action. Discussing this issue is behaving like an ant in a nest. Why not evolve and transcend? The ant-eating bear waiting outside is the one who's going to enjoy this group of ants the most. (guess, where I am standing ;-) it's a joke! ) The question in research is more a discussion of principles too: - doing as if networking did exist without a context is impossible. Networking only exists in a context. Question nº1 is, how is networking set in a sustainable way within a context. - the second question refers to the sustainable concept of the networking itself, what is sustainable networking? - the third question points out, that the ant-like networking that is being shown right now only leads into false assumptions and expectations and ends in a bulb of soap, that in the end still depends on the "real" reality. The question is if humans will be needed at all for intelligence to progress independently of human sources at all? is the networking still linked in a sustainable way to reality or is it already becoming what we call a robot-planet? - the fourth question is if a set of rules will be politically imposed on networkers to see if they manage to refrain form constructing ant-like complexity by taking on a chart of rights and duties. - the fifth question is if networking can be framed in a sustainable way, generally and all of it, so that it follows the axis out of lethal in to vital? - the sixth question refers to how the complexity created in networking, by not being bound to quality standards evades the issues and criteria of sustainable human attitudes and in which way it is possible to establish a system of sanctions enabling the incorporation of responsibility criteria into freedom of action, via negative and positive assertions or sanctions. We do not wish costs to be externalized. The networking systems will have to internalize the costs. - the seventh question is how we can further improve the connection and integration between networking and reality in the future. Generally networking is obviously welcome as an opportunity. Generally too we see more and more that there are risks tied within that have not been looked at. Generally, networking is right now the wild far west in the US in 18th century. Generally we expect civilization to set up some time too ... Just to cheer you up a bit... I don't think this issue can be discussed in here seriously, but, I think it's important that we keep debating the issues. Andreu

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M Rita Metts

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Great video and post, especially for a novice social networker like me. Rita Metts Disability and Workers' Compensation Attorney

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Sphiwe Thera

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This is great Thomas I have always belived in quality over quantity, my view seem tochange direction s now after reading all the comments people have contributed to this forum. I honestly have been lucking such knowledge to build a strong link with people who I believe could have shared their views withought prejudice. Keep up the good work Thomas, much appreciated Best regards Sphiwe Thera www.sphiwethera@magneticsponsoringonline.com

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tracy sheldon

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C:UserstracyDocumentsScanned DocumentsImage (2).jpg I like this because the more you connect the more you learn and the more you can share which leads to more knowledge - it's a no brainer! thanks Thomas and keep up the good work a newbie!

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Margriet Groenevelt

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Thank you all for enriching my view! In the quantity you find the quality in life, virtual or real! Kind regards, Margriet

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Imon Ghosh

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Fascinating. Thank you! With all good wishes, Imon The best way to predict the future is to create it. - Peter Drucker

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diana harvey

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In one way or another all of us here have a product or service to sell. Unfortunately when one is starting off a new venture there is no doubt that you have to go for quantity to be able to build up a business. This requires hard work initially but eventually you will reap the benefits. I equate selling to farming. You select your land, you till the soil, you plant the seeds, you then nurture all by regular watering and weeding, you then reap your harvest. So you select your land as it has been shown by another comment with Ecademy and Linked in on the Alexis ranking. You till the soil as in contacting as many people as possible. You nurture (getting people to gain confidence in you) by regular watering and weeding you are replying and writing to people. Those that never reply back are the weeds which gives you space for more quantity. Thereafter you reap the harvest and by this stage you should have both quantity and quality. Diana Harvey

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Thomas Power

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Contribution is higher than 4% Andre. Thomas Power Chairman Ecademy

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Tony Thornby UK

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Interestingly one growing form of face to face networking is 4networking. In their meetings, everybody 'listens' to everyone else's 40 second elevator while they are eating their breakfast. Then there is a 'largely' one way presentation. And finally you get 3 ten minute 1:1s. The challenge after 'connecting' to tens of thousands of others is identifying the few worth spending 10 mins with (and then longer) by spending 40 seconds listening to each of the ten thousand. Because there isn't enough time in one working lifetime to spend 10 mins with all of them. My suspicion is that Black Stars transmit to all their connections and then dialogue with the small percentage that respond. Us poorer PowerNetworkers don't have that option: What mechanism should we use Thomas? Regards Tony

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Vibha Tripathi

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Hi Thomas, My experience with life actually supports benefit from random experiences than known ones. I guess that is the reason I became part of this forum. I have encountered very enriching experiences from people I unexpectedly met and without any preconceived notions. In all aspects - whether personal,professional or learning. The people we already know actually limit the scope of our learning and strengthen our prejudices. Although comfort zone created by the people we already know is the main deterrent to either accept this concept or follow it. Not to mention the increased permutations for disappointment when it comes to random experiences with strangers. Regards, Vibha Tripathi

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Andre Besselaar

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As introduction to my comments below a video: Seth Godin on Business Networking on the internet Reading all the comments here, doing some research on the issue in between my activities and thinking about it all I have so far progressed to the following: 1. I am now not so sure that Quantity is a future option for a network, I have found a lot of convincing papers that favor the quality approach for the future. 2. No matter how I use Google Analytics, the data gives a consistent result that favors quality. Its just the degree of difference between the two that differs depending on industry and other variables used in the search. (See graphs I posted earlier) This is not really proving that the future should follow this trend but reality is that the trend is still real and so to do business one will have to follow the trend witch re-enforces it for the future 3. It would seem that the aim of future networking is to get away from having to collect a massive database of people and information unless you are mass marketing as using such a massive database, dealing with masses of e mail etc. is creating your own spam. Overall a hypothetical model is emerging based on my slow research: (I am only looking at services/consulting and also need to formulate a hypothesis on this for proper research) 3.1 Identify your niche market currently having a need for your services using internet tools etc. (a minefield) 3.2 Identify the specific region of the world you want to target (unstable due to biological/financial/political etc. impacts re UK, Argentina and Swine Flu Pandemic impact) BBC: UK government stats 3.3 Identify the industry you want to target ( Antiviral and vaccine companies! :-) ) 3.4 Identify the Companies within this industry you want to target as well as the problem(s) they have that you can solve. 3.5 Study and do research on these companies and their problems in depth and identify the select few that fits best with your service or solution to their problems. 3.6 Identify the people within the company that you need to target to get business 3.7 Use social networking or ? to connect to these people. (here is where the controversy lies, using SNS as a sales/marketing tool or ? ) 3.8 Carefully build up the relationship based on quality service, personal branding and ? 3.9 Etc The major problems with this model seems to be 1 and 2. The major future controversy seems to be 3.6 to 3.8 ? in this context mean use something new, still to be/being/has been invented. IN FACT: It would seem as if SNS might not be part of the future in its current format. Something new might have to be put into its place. e.g refer the paper I posted on William Buist blog: Community: If Ecademy is Connecting Business People... Essentially the authors concluded: "Assuming that social communication is triggered by sharing contextual artifacts such as content or personal information, we proposed to leverage context information to assist this sharing, allowing users to focus on the communication instead of the sharing process. With this assistance, we intend to increase social awareness, and thus trigger more communication between people while not requiring them to spend more time on SNS." (SNS = Social Networking Sites) All I now want for my business is a small core of loyal, stable businesses that I can provide quality services to (preferably using technology) and help them take their businesses into the future i.e a lifelong customer (Contrary to what my profile now states!) Questions: Do I need quantity to reach this goal? Do I need to spend a lot of time on SNS to reach this goal? I am starting to think that I don't.

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Suzanne Bolwell-Davies

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Hi Thomas I vote for quantity! In business I have learnt to never make assumptions about people and the contribution they can make to your success. If you go for quality then you are automatically making an assessment and judging people on your set critera or the direction you think your business is going. This may not necessarily be the case! you may need a fresh approach to give you that competitive edge. By cherry picking contributors you are narrowing down your inspirational base, but by opeining the inspirational floodgates you are opening up a whole new world of opportunities and you will be forever surprised and energised! The more the merrier I say!! Suzanne Suzanne Bolwell-Davies Director Flexible HR Ltd suzanne@flexiblehrltd.co.uk www.flexiblehrltd.co.uk Follow me on Twitter - SuzanneBD

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Abd Hamid Mat Sain

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The Powers have done fantastic job with the Ecademy-congratulations. I believe both are important in relationship.They are not mutually exclusive.In fact they are serial in arrangment-the gold digging metaphor again You need to explore the quantity to discover those quality The quantity is your effort to start the discovery. The quality is the result of the relationship development Quantity is raw. Quality is the result of polishing. The Secrets, the Law of Attraction etc all act up to produce the quality from the quantity one has created. God bless Abd Hamid Mat Sain MD Seremban MALAYSIA Email:abdhamidmatsain@gmail.com http://budurl.com/elearningadult http://www.freeonlinemoneybook.com http://twitter.com/drabdhamid http://vur.me/hamid/AskDrHamid

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Peter Boaz Jones

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For Karin :-) "Great art is never produced for its own sake. It is too difficult to be worth the effort." ~ Robert Quillen "One's art goes as far and as deep as one's love goes." ~ Andrew Wyeth "A great artist is always before his time or behind it." ~ George Edward Moore "To create one's own world in any of the arts takes courage." ~ Georgia O'Keeffe "The artist is nothing without the gift, but the gift is nothing without work." ~ Emile Zola Peter :-)

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Marius Grobbelaar

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Really such great info and teaching, training and empowering material. Very serious food for thought. I will definitely be studying the relevant links and info further. Thanks for the research you have done so far. Thomas I appreciate you and Penny very much and hope to meet you when i plan to visit the UK next year some time. Ecademy have changed my life in so may ways. Thanks a million. Regards, Marius S Grobbelaar

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Karin Angele

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I really agree in Quantity = INPUT and Qualitiy = OUTPUT It sounds absolutely logical to me. And to dig deeply is so-to-say my profession - but/and digging deeply always takes more time. So, My problem is, how can I integrate internet social network in my daily work.! If I read and comment all the articles I get sent, and get in touch with all the interesting people who get in touch with me - I'm fully occupied by that. I love to do that, but then I always neglegt my work I'm supposed to do. Maybe it has to do with that I'm not a business type - I'm simply an artist.! I'm always occupied with my creativity all day long. It's normal. Maybe I'm displaced on sites like ecademy. I really don't know. I would need help, but short sentences, not pages of long discourses. But I admire you all, who are able to connect with each other on a regular basis and want to support networking, because I myself believe in that. Just don't know in which platform I fit and how to cope with everything. I'm grateful for a good advice :-) Karin

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John Thornely

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A great post and some wonderfully insightful dialogue - thanks to you all! There are several other blogs running on Ecademy on the Quality/Quantity debate, so the topic obviously touches some raw nerves! There are too many responses to comment on individually but particularly enjoyed those from William Buist, Jan Mulder, Tina Jonasen, Peter Syme, Rob Abdul and others. Jan's bears repeating: Visibility = Quantity Credibility = Quality. Yes, we should strive for Quality. But without Quantity we have no visibility and without Quantity we have no opportunity for Quality (Thomas' Quality in, Quantity out). And yes, there's a necessary element of serendipity - the 'Random' bit in 'ORS': until I shake your hand, I have no idea who you are and what we may find in common. And at the heart of it is connection and referability. My father was a university lecturer. I was humbled at his memorial service, when 250 of his former students - aged from 20s to 70s - attended. He truly had made friends and given valued referrals, not just connections. I hope I can be more like him... And yes, as a relative newcomer to Ecademy, I've benefited significantly from Thomas' 'Random Fusion', am enjoying learning from the collective wisdom in dialogues like this and look forward to being able to offer value and contribute to all my contacts. In JF Kennedy's words... "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country". Keep up the lively debate - and the networking! John Interview on Social Networking with Thomas Power Power Networking Guide

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Vitor Beca

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Dear blogers Trying to be as simple as possible: the more contacts you have, the more Quality contacts you can find. Plus, in a net like Ecademy, people don't join just to have some fun. Great idea to put this question to our discussion. Congratulations Thomas Vitor

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Ces Creatively

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I still don't get why so many find that quality community connections and a mass of contacts are mutually exclusive - like you can't have a mass of contacts (like my wave) and still have a circle of strong contacts gathered from within that pool... Some of my mass new contacts are now in the circle. That is a win win situation for me and for them as we may not have met without the ORS fusion autoconnect courtesy of Thomas Power. If someone has accepted contact that shows on some level they want to connect so it is worth in my opinion finding out what possbilities may lie there. If it doesn't work out with a certain percentage then so what... think about the POSITIVE of the people it does work out with. I don't expect to have a quality relationship with my 8,600+ contacts but I do expect to develop that with a percentage of people I would not have met if I had not have explored this idea. A few weeks or so ago I was ignoring contact requests with no message myself, now I see by limiting myself to that which is close to me already and that which I know and was comfortable with, I was throwing away many opportunities to connect with some great people because they were randomly placed amidst a list of names and countries. Over the past few weeks I have gone from cautiously dipping my toe to enthusiastically splashing about at the shore line... I am now excitedly diving in and swimming amidst my wonderful random new contacts. I now have first hand experience of what Thomas has been advocating in ORS fusion networking all along. There is such a buzz of positive energy around here at Ecademy, it is really something quite special and unique... It is gathering momentum fast... I am excited to be surfing right on the crest of the surging new wave of Ecademy ORS fusion leading to tangible powerful connections for each and every one of those who open their minds to it, open their hearts to it, pick up that surfboard and join in!

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Peter Boaz Jones

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Absolutely the very point William! :-) Peter :-)

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Herbbie Sidhu

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A great debate indeed. Thank you for sharing Thomas. It is always possible to fish out a better share of quality from a larger quantity. warm regards Herbbie

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Janet Bennison

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You can only quantify quality with what you know now but through quantity you can know so much more. Its inspiring & enriching to my life to learn what my contacts think, do & feel about their lives, in their part of the world. I don't know if my contacts will change my life or my work in any significant way but I am open to the possibilities of that. Janet

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maria silva

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A very very interesting debate I think Quantity is important to Quality and Quality to Quantity, because one feeds back the other. Warm regards Maria

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Muchina Thuo

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Leading it's a calling.....

1. This is a theory I would like to prove before I die as I believe people on the whole ...Don't make me burst in front of students(university)....Can I take this in the bank ? 2.this prejudice and so called experience prevents them from meeting the right people for them. The right people are those who produce a better result or outcome than the people you already know.This total dynamism, aggressiveness and agility.... The debate rages on....! Warm regards Entrepreneur, Symon M. Thuo Ecademy . Animals are very beautiful people !. www.streamtech.co.ke : End of the iceberg

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Tony Thornby UK

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The challenge in Ecademy is that connecting with someone doesn't actually result in any more ongoing communication than not connecting - unless you are a black star. In many other social networking communities, direct connection results in status updates etc being given a special positioning - hence more likely to be read. This is a feature which stimulates comms and relationship building. Without this feature, I have found that commenting in blogs is a far more effective way of stimulating 1:1 discussions than building a big number of connections in 'my network'. Best regards Tony

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Mario Faustino

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Hello Thomas, Thank you for sharing! It was very eloquent the video, and that's more or less what's in people's minds, their doubts about having or not having many contacts... Kind regards, mjf

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Ronn van Etten

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I started with Ecademy by invitation of Robert van Praag. I didn't think much of it, other than: oh well, let's try. Now after a while I find I have had some very nice chats with interesting people. I have had some contacts that really matter and helped me. I know I've been helpfull to some others. I have gotten some ideas just by looking at other profiles. And I'm confident that this will go on. All in all, I think: 1. it is simply interesting to get in contact every once in a (short) while with various interesting people. 2. it's inspiring to do so 3. it's fun!! and most of these contacts came from people I didn't know and wouldn't if not for this network I guess. I'n not a power-user, I more or less look into Ecademy ervry day, but not a strong networker. But I enjoy it. Quantity and/or Quality: I begin to think more and more it's" Quantity = Quality!! . There's always a second chance. It's up to us to take it, make it or break it. www.vanzelfadvies.nl Best wishes, Ronn van Etten

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Dr. Krishna Kumari Challa

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I prefer quality. However, when the Q of contacts arise quantity is also important. Dr. Krishna Kumari Challa

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Aron Stevenson

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Blog comments Worlde Aron Stevenson www.leasingoptions.co.uk Helping companies reduce motoring costs CO2 & Company Car Tax.

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Mary Gee

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very good..you have already reasoned it out and also proven this theory. We only know "who or what" we know for the present time....no one knows their future. One limits great possibilities if the quantitiy in learning is absent

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Andre Besselaar

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Raining on the parade? Apologies for not digging a bit deeper and comment due to time constraints (networking :-) Courtesy of Google Analytics

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Michael Heaney

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I told you before...

...over three years ago here Optimal Parochialism: The Dynamics of Trust and Exclusion in Networks This academic working paper is almost ten years old but still worth a ponder. It goes a long way towards explaining the mathematics and the theory behind all this soul searching Michael Heaney Benchwhistler Associates Ltd Planned People Maintenance - Enhancing the Performance of your most important asset www.benchwhistler.com Know Better

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Chris Symonds

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Hi My initial knee jerk reaction is NO - NO - NO, quality is definately superior. Then I decided to investigate and analyse, like reading the material available here or by simply asking myself why do I keep going to functions with the view of meeting different people and expanding my contact list. You know I think the parallel of Gold Mining is correct in that we are continually sifting and quite simply the more you people you meet equals quantity and the more you sift equals quality. Am I right in concluding that to achieve quality you must first experience quantity? Chris Symonds (Simply a Marketer)

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Sam Borrett

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As Usual Thomas, insightful, innovative, committed and ground breaking. Although my contacts all through my life have been of the open, random, type (typical being of a Yellow shade ) and have never contrived to meet any particular person (well, maybe a few ), I'm beginning to see that quantity can be indeed used as good leverage to extract the quality. Thanks a million, SAM Sam Borrett Master Mentor, Entrepreneur, Facilitator Mentoring4Change.com Jupiter Properties EastWest Property Investments EastWestEdge www.eastwestedge.com EastWest Properties ClubFreedom PO Box 241 Brunswick Heads, NSW, 2483 Australia

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Mark Orr

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Give me quality every time. I have time pressures and I believe in measuring and testing and all the well tried and tested principles of marketing. Networking is another form of marketing and unless you have more time and money than sense then you would always play in the field where your clients play. Random connections will give you the odd lucky break as I myself have had from time to time. The reason you remember them is because they are so unusual and lucky not because they are a great strategy. Good luck with it though s it should keep you occupied for a long long time. Regards Mark Orr 07903 655 169 Anything and everything in print and direct mail Print,printing,Printers,direct mail,direct marketing,mailings,

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David Collison

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Quality is always prefferable of course, but without first sifting through the quantity, how else can you find the perfect match?...The older you get, the more selective you tend to become, so quality begins to mean far more than just great spending power and super projects, it has to embrace friendship and getting on with your customers...but the impatience of youth often misses out on what one might call 'Cosmic Serendipity' because they are not seeking the happy accidental meeting, they are looking only to the big budgets...Sadly people with big budgets are often also the fast track movers...who move away all too quickly! Then where are we?!?........Carry on networking, that's the only way to meet the right people and get to know them before you work with them, should the opportunity ever arise. Dave

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Minta Moss Beard

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Thanks for the BEST explanation of how to maximize use of social networking. After viewing your video, I now understand the law of large numbers as the answer to success in network marketing. Best wishes to you, Minta

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Annette Hennekens

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Quantity and/or Quality

In life, there are no random accidents or coincidences. I know we are all connected and we each influence each other. Call it the spirit of God, the power of the law of attraction, or the natural law of the universe. It's one and the same. I think it's wonderful how connected we all are and it's amazing to me how easy it is to connect. Blessings to You! Annette Hennekens

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Carolyn Williams

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Quantity and/or Quality

Sparkling in Heaven of course!! c/o Ces_Creatively xx

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Ketan JOSHI

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Quantity and/or Quality

I had a 1 hour phone call with Thomas yesterday evening - and I agreed to test his 'Random Fusion' Theory .. and Thomas connected me to everyone who had been on Ecademy over the previous 24 hour period .. By this evening I had about 5000 new connections ... and almost 500 messages which I am now replying to individually ... Just a quick glance at the messages highlight about 40 which are fitting the type of core connections I wanted to make - all offering / asking for info on how my/their business can be enhanced by my/their involvement, either as partners, as advisor, as suppliers, on synergies between what they do and what I do ... AND NONE OF THESE CONNECTIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE BY A FOCUSSED SEARCH TO FIND THEM ... After 24 hours, I strongly believe in what Thomas is preaching ... I tried it - and it works !! I will report back on how this experiment progresses ... so everyone can share in the progress .. Thank You Thomas Ketan

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Maurice Poole

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Quantity and/or Quality

Thomas, I think you already know that we are all interested in quantity! ;-) Why else would we be networking? It's all about connecting with other people with some aim in view, whether it be social contact, business development, some mixture of those and/or a multitude of other possibilities. But naturally it is up to individuals to decide how big a network they want and how fast they want it to grow, as well as whom they want to be in it. We can all decide that how we like. After all, even success in business is not obligatory is it? The most determined opponent of the quantity view might reflect that mathematically expressed, in the limit, as network size tends to zero, quality disappears too. So I want quality? I must need quantity. Your expression "Quantity = Input, Quality = Output" is spot-on. Should we want improvement in any way at all, well, that is a desire for change. Albert Einstein allegedly said, "Insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results." If you accept that as I know a good many people will, even if I express some reservations, then if networking is some sort of answer to the necessary change, we need some changes to our networks. Like, additions... or deletions if you must, but rarely I should think. Then, who? We don't usually know in advance of making connections. It might take a lot in order to find the few that will make the necessary difference. And if that is so, as it surely must be, then there must be more people out there that will make even more positive differences, and who are they... and so on. If we only make our strong ties stronger, we are acting as though satisfied with the status quo. "The strength of weak ties" is a highly valid theory in my view - and "there is nothing more practical than a good theory" - Kurt Lewin (1945). However, Thomas, I would not spend any time on your stated ambition to prove your theory. It is much sounder, easier and quicker, to aim to disprove the reverse. What's known as the null hypothesis would be in this case be something like, "You have to choose the right people when networking". You only have to find one case to disprove that, and you have probably done so many times. So much the better. Just collect a number of cases together so it looks commonplace and you can die happy. But don't do that just yet, if you can help it. I'd like to ask what buildings feature in the city skyline shots in your "Unplugged" videos and what image is conjured up towards the end by cutting from the buildings straight to a jet airliner taking off. Secondly, you demonstrate the triumph of hope over experience in asserting that Nuclear Fusion will replace Nuclear Fission sometime in the next 90 years; it's been "50 years away" for as long as I can remember. This former nuclear industry engineer is not so hopeful of that. As a metaphor for the fusion you are attempting in your experiment it's reasonable but I don't know anyone that has been indulging in network fission; perhaps I push the metaphor too far. Finally, I understand that where you are as Top Cheese of a networking organisation, you needed to move from CSC to ORS but unless you retain a sense of choice somewhere you may turn unprincipled. I need some selectivity as there are things up with which I cannot put - to be truly me I will stand on certain principles. But don't worry, I might not have 10 years! ;-)   Maurice

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John Cassidy

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Quantity and/or Quality

In heaven of course, finding out where the real gems are John Cassidy Photography - Inspiring Confidence through Personality www.johncassidyphoto.co.uk blog.johncassidyphoto.co.uk Twitter @UKHeadshots e johncassidyphoto@mac.com m 07768 401009

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Thomas Power

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Quantity and/or Quality

Great comments all day folks love them thank you. So imagine tomorrow we introduced you live and in real time to everyone who logged in that day, how would you feel about that? Heaven or hell. Thomas Power Chairman Ecademy

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Chinello Ifebigh

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Quantity and/or Quality

Great Blog Thomas, I am already putting your words into practice by looking at the profiles of- and connecting with the people who have commented on this blog. Most of them are completely unknown to me and I would have probably never become aware of them if I didn't see this blog, all the interesting comments and the great people behind them!! Thanks! Chinello Ifebigh "If we build it, they will come".

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Carolyn Williams

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Quantity and/or Quality At last!! ;~)

I can see and hear you Thomas - You're a Film Star!! My Broadband Supplier as 'zooped the juice up!' which means I can at last Click and participate in your Video Links! It sure helps to See it to Get It!! Thing is - We are all individuals and creatures of habit. I am just as Qualitive on Twitter as I am on Ecademy. My input re Quanity has increased but I guess that too is ....an on going Educational 'light bulb' The important thing is Do you Sparkle when you communicate? Lot's!! This of course is the icing on the cake! Can I have your autograph pweeeze? Nite Nite, Carolyn Keeping you fighting fit for your business By TwitterButtons.com www.lifestyle-online.co.uk www.facebook.com/LifestyleOnline

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Kyle Winn

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Quantity and/or Quality

Tom, Yes, to quality/quantity. Both are required for !mpact. Quantity = 50+ million people (critical mass) Quality = Life on earth as the possibility of "being" for human beings. This seems to be the fulfillment of w.w.w. Thank you and Penny, again, for the inspiration and information. Kyle Winn Chief Navigator Spiral !mpact Productions, Inc. impact2012@cox.net http://impact2012.com/ (coaching)

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Alexis Wilke

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Quantity and/or Quality

Thomas, This is a theory I would like to prove I tend to agree. I have had many sales to people I met once. Friends, none. So I think that's how it works. Might just be me or the type of product & services I sell though. Now, if you ask about enhancing your site, I'd suggest you look into why some blogs (like this one) break once in a while.... Alexis Wilke CEO Made to Order Software Corp. Order Made!® LinkedIn Facebook

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Alan Bowman

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Quantity and/or Quality

Boy oh Boy Lucas Great dissertation, imformative and conclusional and may I throw in my Gold Mining Analogy. To find nuggets you lift tons of rock and soil, the quantity you need to find the quality, and all that sifting is good for the thing is you never know where the nuggets are and thus it teaches you perseverance and patience, which all must have to succeed and achieve our goals. Good luck to all no matter what path you believe in or apply, it has been a great pleasure to read all the posts. Kindest regards Alan

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Victor Marques

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Quantity and/or Quality

Thanks dear Thomas for your great post. What I do in my free time for networking? a) Strengthening my already strong existing network b) Strengthening my weaker contacts c) Meeting new people and exploring new possibilities d) All of the above Big hug from Douro Valley.. Victor Marques VitoriaKoi, Bringing Portugal to You... www.flordomonte.com www.casadotua.com

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Annmarie Edwards

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Quantity and/or Quality

Building connection with others is a great way to network. Social networking is expanding everyday. I am looking forward to meet more people and to be more actively involved.

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vikas singh

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vikassingh(sd) Nice

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Graham Hunt

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Quantity and/or Quality

So as an experiment in random connections I have just accepted 594 contact requests. I wonder what my inbox will look like in the next few days. Living in Spain * Positivity * Valencia+ * Twitter

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Valeri Bocage

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Quantity and/or Quality

Great work! Most women always give their best and multiply what they are given. You are a blessed man to have such a woman as your wife. Smile Valeri

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Andrew Stewart

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Quantity and/or Quality

Awesome post and great comments. Penny you summarized it best with Quantity = INPUT Quality = OUTPUT In almost 30 years of IT consulting and 5 years or so of network marketing, I have never seen the pattern change. You have to talk to a lot of prospects before you find the ones who either need, or want what you have to offer. When you do find them, they generally prove to be among your best long term customers. Andrew Stewart andrew@sbrconnections.com andrew.mtexpro.com/goland4/ecademy

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Aron Stevenson

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Quantity and/or Quality

Hi Thomas & fellow ecademist's, As I see it, perhaps ecademist's are asking the wrong questions. Instead of looking for what contacts can do for you, maybe a better approach would be to ask what you can do for your contacts, your network. Being referable is the key to successful networking. Bill Warner talks about this in his blog "Fundamentally, this means you have to be referable. The more people in the business community that know you, have respect for you, and are willing to tell others, the greater are your chances of winning new business. Being referable means: Business people know who you are Customers Competitors Service providers Suppliers Potential alliance partners Industry influencers Media What you do is understood in simple terms The value you create is easily explained Your positive reputation precedes you By having the business community know these things about you and your business, the greater the chances that they will tell others, thus giving you a chance to win a new business relationship. This Is Networking With a Purpose Some people call this networking. I call it networking with a value added purpose. Provide value to the people you network with and you will get many fold that value in return. This is not a series of one time events. It's a constant drum beat of value added communication with your network, enabling them to remember you first when they see an opportunity that might need help from your business." Bill's full article is here >>> Whilst it may be hard to connect personally with all your network, I believe you can easily communicate your message and be well known through blogs and by sharing useful content that is helpful to others. YOU never know who your going to help and who will help YOU. Many thanks Thomas & Penny for all your support helping me grow my network. Best wishes Aron Stevenson www.leasingoptions.co.uk Helping companies reduce motoring costs CO2 & Company Car Tax.

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Subra V S

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Quantity and/or Quality

This is a question of balance. There is a fine line to tread, and one must know where to draw the line between both

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Lucas Wyrsch

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There is no Development Without A Quantitative Approach

Dear Thomas, In risk management, the term qualitative is used to describe certain types of information. Qualitative data are described in terms of quality. This is the converse of quantitative, which more precisely describes data in terms of quantity and often using a numerical figure to represent something in a statement.There are no qualitative data without quantitative evaluation before!Quantitative data falls into two broad categories:Discrete or attribute data andContinuous or variable data.Discrete data generally falls into three categories: Category data, Bi-nomial data, and Count / Poisson data. Qualitative data are generally, but not always, of less value to scientific research than quantitative data, due to their subjective and intangible nature. It is possible to approximate quantitative data from qualitative data - for instance, asking people to rate their perception of a sensation on a Likert scale.What can we learn from Metcalfe's law? Metcalfe's law states that the value of a telecommunications network is proportional to the square of the number of connected users of the system (n2). What can we learn from Reed's law?Reed's law is the assertion of David P. Reed that the utility of large networks, particularly social networks, can scale exponentially with the size of the network.What can we learn from Sarnoff's law?Sarnoff's law states that the value of a broadcast network is proportional to the number of viewers. It is attributed to David Sarnoff.ConclusionQuality emerges from quantity! Thank you for sharing! Best - Lucas Join The Swiss Business Club - Join the GuanXi Game Club - Join the Risk Consulting Club - And Join Doing Business Virtually!

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Stuart Horton

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Quality v's Quantity. I once had a manager that swore by quality of the lead rather than the Quantity. I think that your short video sums it up well. You only know if a lead is good for you once you have discovered it, but to discover it there is alot of calls / contact made to segment out the ones useful to you!

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Louis Gray

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Quantity and/or Quality

My answer is a lot like the US Football and Baseball stars Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders: Both. It's quantity and quality. Quantity helps give a higher chance that there is quality included in the group. Without quantity, you have a lower chance at gaining access to quality. But if you have a high quantity of zero, it is still zero. Therefore, you need to focus on pushing quantity in the right place, to grow quality as well. I do not chase for quantity so much as I hope what I am doing drives quantity and quality, through the quality I deliver.

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Peter Hindley

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Quantity and/or Quality

I favour the quantity approach in the knowledge that the quality will shine through. Whenever I have managed large teams of people I have never ceased to be amazed by the quality hidden amongst them that only appears once it has been scratched. The same applies to networking.

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nick tadd

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Quantity and/or Quality

I suppose it depends on what time of your "business life" you are at. I would argue that all businesses need both. However, if you are a fledgling business then quality is needed to keep the cashflow going whilst trying to build the quantity. N socialmediagraffiti - the club

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Gordon Wheaton

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A very good blog Thomas. Like you said here, Quantity is more useful than Quality. Quality means we may only have five, ten good contacts who we know well. But Quality means we open our minds and are our doubts and we as a result can have a lot more: friendship, work etc etc. Regards Gordon

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Emma James

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Fantastic sales mechanism Mark

really slick and well put together. I hear what you're saying Thomas, I really do but I still favour growing my network organically. I'm just growing it organically prolifically ;) Massage Therapy Therapy Suite By TwitterIcon.com

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Steve Hall

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Quantity and/or Quality

I spent 3 years believing that "quality is king" Now, I realise I was wrong. I need contacts in a whole new geographical area and I accept that what was "quantity" yesterday could be a real "quality" contact today. I do not have the "right" to approach new contacts to ask for favours/introductions that I could have done if I had built up relationships over the past four years with them. So one man's meat is another man's poison, I guess. The trouble is nobody ever knows when we can help each other. I'm a convert! Kind Regards Steve Hall For everything about Spain visit:www.thisisspain.info www.searchspainonline.info www.todaslascasas.net www.loscostaleros.com http://workinginspain.ning.com http://learningspanish.ning.com

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Joel James

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Fascinating responses. From my vantage point of reading/skimming through the 50+ comments before me I see a number of dynamics coming into play. The question of quantity or quality is a personal preference based on personal goals and objectives one has set for themselves. Other dynamics of the comments come from personality traits, culture, and all the other factors which make up who we are. The idea of creating a large quantity of people we associate with here has the advantage of creating a larger pool of thoughts and ideas to draw upon to resolve challenges we face in our every day experience. If we treat our experience on ecademy like a large university library with stacks of books, journals, and other publications, then we will look for relevant information to meet our needs. I don't go to the library and read every piece of print there in order to gain the specific knowledge I need. The success of my search is dependent on the filtering system I have in place, and how I deploy the filter. I agree with quantity which will lead to quality through social networking. Joel James

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Eddington Pindura

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This is an excellent post Thomas, I would want to revisit it. Haven't read any comments so far but want to believe they will be very interesting. Eddington Pindura Internet Marketing Coach/Mentor http://www.reandi.co.uk

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Richard Konings

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Quantity and/or Quality

I am an Associate of the Institute for Independent business (IIB) and I am based in The Netherlands. There are about 150 IIB Associates in The Netherlands that visit all sorts of small and mediumsized businesses, where they talk with the Managing Director (Owner) to see if they can be of service with advice, guidance or mentoring. I have started Quality Client Benefits that are focused to give the IIB Associates extra tools when they are on appointment, next to their own expertise they have some Quality services and products they can offer their Client with considerable Benefits. Not every client will need this benefits, when they can use benefits it will most likely be one at the most two. Not every IIB Associate will be inclined to use those benefits in their appointments, one Associate will be better at explaining why the client should go for the benefit than other Associate. The point is, I can offer quality products or services, but I will need a quantity of Associates to explain to an even bigger quantity of clients that they will benefit from the services or products, to make sure these services and products are actually being bought. You can make Quality, but you need Quantity to make it a success. With networking you need Quantity to be able to find or get at the Quality, which can be a deal, friend or product. Best Regards, Richard

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John Cassidy

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Quantity and/or Quality

Great subject to cover Thomas and another that has strong arguments from both sides, or so it seems. My own thoughts are you just don't know where your next big contact will come from. It may be from someone you happen upon in the pub, it may come by targeting specific clients in specific market segments or it may come from a totally seemingly unconnected source. You may think that those who leave it to a chance meeting in a pub are unlikely to meet someone who'll make a long lasting contact, but how may marriages start by a chance encounter in a pub. Well mine did and I've been happily married to Helen for over 19 years. I seem to remember there was quite a number, or should I say QUANTITY, of people in the pub that evening but I found a gem, one of real QUALITY - How RANDOM was that encounter? Targeting specific clients and market segments is also great way to meet potential contacts and clients. People you can talk the same business language to. People who understand you niche ares. People you can form alliances and affiliate partnerships with. There are a huge QUANTITY of potential alliances and affiliates out there for all of our businesses. But if you were targeting them you'd be more likely to choose those who were likely to provide the best QUALITY. The ones where you'd be most SUPPORTIVE to each other. Some people do mailshots and cold calling, aiming at a vast QUANTITY of people hoping that someone, somewhere out there, or someone they know, is looking to buy your product or service. Someone who become a QUALITY lead. Although this could be described as a random way of getting business you have to do it with a fairly OPEN mind as you never really know how its going to work out. My view is that all these methods can work. More importantly though we, as business owners, need to try and cover as many bases as possible. more especially so now days with what else is going on in the world. Those who don't believe in RANDOM encounters, trust me they do happen and last Those who think they can do it all by themselves - remember two hands are always more SUPPOTIVE than one. Would you rather have a potential share of £1000.00 or a share of £0.00. Those who don't want to be OPEN ask yourself, how far would you search in a pile of rotten fruit if you knew there could be something valuable hidden inside, a diamond for example? Me, well I'm open to them all. And if I am lucky enough to get to get a huge QUANTITY of additional contacts overnight I'll take my chance on it including a few QUALITY gems. John Cassidy Photography - Inspiring Confidence through Personality www.johncassidyphoto.co.uk blog.johncassidyphoto.co.uk Twitter @UKHeadshots e johncassidyphoto@mac.com m 07768 401009

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Marco van Velthuisen

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Quantity and/or Quality

Nice one. Keep up the go(o)d work, Love....... P.S. FUN in Serious Business Warm regards and a big HUG, Manager Services NL Marco van Velthuisen | Professional | IF YOU CAN SHARE, YOU CAN MULTIPLY | Only a phone call or e-mail away: +31 (0) 6 557 966 10 | marco@managerservices.nl Mail or text me and I will contact you. Get tweeterized!

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Jack Hamilton

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Quantity and/or Quality

Great thoughts Thomas. As a fellow believer in quantity over quality (simply use filters to find the high value targets/contacts within connections) I want to second your position. An additional thought on growing ones online networks: I don't know what the number is, but once one reaches a certain number of people within their online networks, it becomes (to a point) self perpetuating. I receive many invites daily from people all over the world--- to join my various social network sites. By selectively inviting and joining groups, I can invite much smaller numbers of people so it takes less of my time. It does require routine care and attention to build a large network, but when one has a "brilliant" idea it's nice to have the network with which to share it...and the costs savings over traditional media are outstanding. So, from my perspective more is better-- from the branding, marketing, and sales angles---not to mention the purely social and cultural, and educational benefits a large global network yields. BTW: Mark did a great job with your video. Those guys are....I would encourage anyone to connect with them to learn more about Your Business Channel. http://www.yourbusinesschannel.com/ Best Regards, Jack Hamilton

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Alison Hughes

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Quantity and/or Quality

Both would be just great although if you let quality slip, it can mean trouble for you. I've noticed a definite decline in quantity which is basically a chain reaction through customers and the public spending pattern. This is where we need to highlight our qualities and service to gain new business to what we may have lost.

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Stewart Graham

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Quantity and/or Quality

Hi Thomas I believe that quality only stems from quantity. Let's take it down to basics! If I have no one in my network, then I can't have quality connections. If I have three people in my network, one of them might be high quality. If I have... and so it goes on. The larger your network the more likely you are to have quality people within it who engage with you more in depth than most. The law of averages stipulates that the lower the quantiy the less likely one is to have quality. The higher the quantity the more likely one is to have higher amounts of quality. What I don't understand is why anyone would not want to connect to lots of people simply to increase the possibility!! The more people I talk to at a networking event the more I am likely to find the quality I want to bring within my inner circle and refer to others as trusted suppliers. Bring on the autoconnect, says I. Stewart Avalon Solutions "

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Zen Benefiel, MA, MBA, CHt, TLC

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Quantity and/or Quality

Thanks for all you do Thomas, and congratulations to Penny for having such a supporter and make-it-happen kinda guy. I have thousands in my wake and continue to move through more. I've cleaned my desk drawer out a few times, once counting nearly 5,000 cards I'd collected in just a couple of years or so. I might have 1 or 2 folks from that stack that remain today. I can't tell you how many had something for me in the moment we met, whether it was a rude awakening to a fact or my presentation or just a knowing and loving look in their eye that came along with a genuine hug. Life is a numbers game and we go through many to find a few. I think even the Bible confirms the nature of humans in that way as a historical trend rather than any religious connotation. Imagine if you could tip the scale toward a huge change in the challenge of world peace with a positive outcome like no other. Back to the numbers. How many children starve each day? How many homeless people are there in the world? Those are the baseline numbers to work with and until they are no longer, then we haven't really become anything close to a human race. We feign it with all the business and networking we do to make money, but the bottom line is we act like selfish bastards most of the time. I think I heard a figure of 1.3 million dollars is available for every person on the planet based on the total float of the trillions of dollars in circulation. So, the numbers game applies there too, quantity... our particular project is after 50 million subscribers by 12/20/2012. We are delivering media-rich messages of truth, distilled and fact-filled, about our condition with acknowledgment of what is missing and suggestions of what is possible. The video below was an initial production to raise awareness and market the concept last year. We're noting the arrival of the team that has the integrity and technical capacity to do so. We estimate our first 60-day production cycle to cost $150,000. After we go live with the first click, we anticipate a viral round. Ignite the Vision Video Speaking of numbers to reach quality... using the keywords 'spirituality,' 'new age' and '2012' there were over 335 million results... 15% = 50 million. Wanna play? Namaste, Zen Namasté, Zen Benefiel, MBA, MA, CLC, CHt Keep Your Computers Safe Help Your Friends 480-633-7179 Be The Dream...YOURS! "If you believe in unlimited quality and act in all your business dealings with total integrity, the rest will take care of itself."

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Andre Besselaar

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Quantity and/or Quality

This is a great post and it will take some time to digest as this issue has never been an issue for me before. Having said that you have now made it an issue for me and I need to look into this! ;-) My life has always centered around the situation and its requirements largely influenced by Hersey and Blanchard's work on Situational Leadership. Their principles were consistently reinforced in a variety of situations over 20 years of consulting. I disagree strongly on just two words used in your post " by accident" The evidence is staking up for new universal laws, some quantifiable, others still to be quantified that events can be influenced, attracted etc. So I am not sure that "by accident" is an applicable term in this context and might be a term that will disappear in the future. So, some reading and research to be done on an interesting post and yes, the H1N1 A Pandemic reference is spot on. Thanks for making my life just a tad more complex Thomas. :-)

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Adolfos Kannetis

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Quantity and/or Quality

Quantity / Quality You cannot select/ choose quality unless you have quantity What you select and call quality could be misleading so keep trying as both quantity and quality are fluid meanings. Everybody understands and values quality from different angles.and criteria. So the fact that you meet either in person or in networking various people is the quantity If you can find from this quantity the right people that you can connect because of common values and interests then you are on the right track of living your life in full and in Quality. Adolfos Kannetis (Cyprus)

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Anthony Haley

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Quantity and/or Quality

How do you know you have quality if you don't have quantity? How do you measure quality and compared to what? A sales professional might believe he has quality because he deals with 10 customers every month who spend £5,000 each with him. He might be stubborn enough not to prospect new customers because he believes he already has quality. In sales it's an excuse not to cold call but that is another discussion. One day this salesman decides to embrace new technology and tries the quantity route. Two months later he has 5 new customers each spending £50,000 every month with him. Does he still believe the first 10 customers spending £5,000 every month represent quality or are they now wasting his time? There are endless examples in business and in life where you have to have quantity to get quality because without quantity you don't know if you have quality. I am happy to accept everyone on Ecademy as a contact if they ask because I know that at some point in the future, it will be worth it. People who say they only accept contacts from someone that spends the time getting to know them or reviewing their profile is missing the point. Quality never stands still. It can only be measured in the now and compared to other factors today. Today's quality is not tomorrow's quality and unless you embrace quantity you might be in danger of standing still or even going out of business. Quality changes according to market conditions and value.

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Pamela Cournoyer

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Quantity and/or Quality

Thomas, Great food for thought, I didn't realize how focused I really am on the numbers and how fascinated I am with "new" contacts outside my personal world. I appreciate Ecademy and your encouragement to reach outside our comfort zones. My best to you, Pamela, CEO, Communicate with CLASS www.communicatewithclass.com pamela@communicatewithclass.com 800.336.8205

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Adam Gardiner

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Quantity and/or Quality

Interesting thesis. How does it chime with the psychology of the universal mind? By thatI mean that in experiments where enough people of whatever background and attainments are seated together in a cinema or theare, given remote control digital answering devices and questions are flashed on a screen before them which those present are unlikely to know the answer - such as 'how many tons of coal were exported from Lithuania in 1947' and the question repeated a number of times eventually the group will arrive at the correct answer as if by osmosis. Also project management programs can evaluate the many estimated times for diferent work activities from experienced staff to arrive at most likely times and overall expected times which are accurate enough to arrive at stage and project finish dates which are consistently accurate enough to be reliable - I know this as I was in project design and evaluation teams in the seventies the benefits of which I still draw on in the form of an ocupational pension. In addition, the abilty of groups of say, primates, although separated geographically, to learn new skills such as washing grain tn the sea or using stick foraging tools, at about the same time postulates the idea of a common shared intelligence. Works in men and women too. Regards Dalriadan

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Rob Abdul

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Quantity and/or Quality

Mr Thomas, 10,000 people logging on today is very impressive and a testament to the power of Ecademy. I mean that whole heartedly; I am a webmaster looking after an array of web sites, thus visitor count / traffic levels to a website is something I understand and appreciate. The potential of meeting 10,000 people to do business with is an incredible opportunity! Thank you for that. Are we not just talking numbers and relying on the laws of probability? You said "1 in 100 you would do some business with and 1 in 1000 you would do good business with". What I am saying is why you would want 1 in 100, or 1 in 1000 "quantity", why not have less volume with a higher conversion rate indicating "quality". I signed up to Ecademy and LinkedIn at the same time for Educational purposes. As of today 22nd of July 2009 I have looked up the Alexa traffic rank of Ecademy and LinkedIn, the results are as follows: LinkedIn Alexa Rank: 89 Ecademy Alexa Rank: 6,514 For those who are unaware of Alexa traffic rank, the lower the number the higher the traffic levels. I am aware of the flaws with the Alexa metric. So I post these figures not as accurate or as fact. It would seem LinkedIn receive a higher volume of traffic. However, I personally have had no business whatsoever form LinkedIn or even a visit to my site form my profile in months. I have had contact requests from people I already know. If I contrast that with Ecademy, I have had many enquires, made friends that have gone on to become FaceBook friends and have also received interest on my profile. So even though it may seem Ecademy may have less traffic volumes than LinkedIn, I invest my time on Ecademy because of the higher quality. I'm not just saying the above just to please you. That is my professional opinion and my neck on the block for the world to read. I'm the World's No #1 "e-commerce expert" & "ebusiness specialist" in Google, Bing, Yahoo, AOL, & Ask.

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Harry Southan

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Quantity and/or Quality

I really don't buy this quantity concept (maybe I missing something - usually common sense). An argument, let's say, I receive 10,000 contacts asking to connect. The majority of these are automated request and I check the persons profile and connect, never to hear from them again, how this is supposed to help anyone I do not understand. One of my contacts, let's call him Tim, tells me he needs a coach, I recommend Nation Express; he corrects me and says he meant a Life Coach. Now, I know many through my auto connected Ecademy contacts but how can I recommend any if I do not really know them, understand how good they are or whether I would even have a drink with them. However I can recommend the ones who contact me regularly, engage me, show me how good they can be and that they are professional and honest. This can only be done, in my opinion, if you have a small enough contact group to really engage with. Quantity = Poor quality Quality = Quality (Sixsigma principles) Harry

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Bhagwan Nachlani

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Quantity and/or Quality

Well let me drop my penny in a bucket quality Vs quantity. Yes indeed, there is no dought quality outweighs quantity. We all want quality than quantity. Now when huge traffic on this site as mentioned 10,000 users per day means lot of people all walks of life. You cannot expect quality from your each connection. I am sure there are people who just want to connect with every one. (in future) you never know whom you will be needing for what business and there are people who know what kind of people connection they want for their business, more selective, so they limit themselves connecting with all. You cannot expect every single connection will be quality one. you have to dig into and find out who can be beneficial and helpful to you on mutual basis. Bhagwan Nachlani

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Mike Frizzell

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Quantity and/or Quality

Mike Frizzell I believe in quantity because as Thomas say the law of maths applies the more you have the more likely you will truly connect with someone. You never know what my come out of random conversations with people. I would like to have a go at autoconnect. Mike Frizzell FD job seeker

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James Facey

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Quantity and/or Quality

Over the years your personal benchmark for quality and quantity changes. My own photograpy business started out as a social (weddings & portraits) and commercial (advertising & corporate) venture. Although I had had quality standards my aim back then was obtaining more quantity of work. For the past five years I have shifted the business to commercial clients (90%) and my telephone rings much less now but when it does the call is likely to be a quality job.

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JOHN MORRIS

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Quantity and/or Quality

Hi Thomas I really like the whole idea of networking this way, in life we never know until we try, If you need someone else to test the idea please include me Regards John Morris Always enjoying learning something new in life

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Greg Nicolaou

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Quantity and/or Quality

I am new to my current job, I will now be advising clients direct rather than dealing b2b. For me with no existing client bank it will initially be a numbers game, otherwise I don't see how I could possibly succeed. Over time I can see the situation reversing but for now it has to be quantity but being smart with the qualifying aspect. Greg

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Gabor Keller

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Quantity and/or Quality

The quantity and quality indicators of interpersonal relations could be characterized as follows. There is a so-called triangle of trust, as the peaks of activity, the response and communication, and their combined effects are located. If this triangle, the real-life place in space, it is "swimming" emotional intelligence of the persons concerned will be thick. Current status of the emotional tone scale (about 30 species exist in the origo of the + and -) to the "location", not to mention the state of mind. In any event, the screws things, a wide range of human communication will be determined by the trend of the future of Ecademy. Of course, this philosophy may be more specific kinds of scenarios, but unnecessary Gabor Keller regional director financial economist certified logistics specialist web: kaposlogisztika

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Terje Kvam

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Is quantity quality?

Hi Thomas! Very interesting debate, though it has been going on for some years, I think you've managed to put a fresh spin on it. My findings are that one has to be open to recieve quantity in order to find find quality, much like in the gold diggers analogy, no one knows for sure where it is (the gold or the quality that is). But I make the assumption that by making yourself available to the quantity of i.e. Ecademy, LinkedIn and networks like these you will find the quality you are looking for. Build your network while you don't need it and you will appreciate it when you need it. Best regards, Terje Kvam

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Les Potton

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Quantity and/or Quality

Hmmm ....... I am really torn on this one. My immediate reaction when joining ecademy was that it was pointless for people to have networks of 7000 from all corners of the world. What is the definition of a network, is it a group of CONTACTS or a list of random names that you will forget and maybe never read, hear from or contact again. There is also the danger of the network becoming a spam factory by having so much traffic in and out of your message box. Some mornings I wake up to far too many connection requests (I guess some would say there are never too many) !! I get the concept of Twitter. To follow someone you have to make a decision to follow and therefore you are likely to have a reason, and to me that raises the quality of the network. On ecademy it sometimes feels like butterfly collecting just to get names. I am curious as to why I get contact requests.....are they just massive trawls ? or has someone read my profile ? I am a big fan of discussion groups on all social network sites, that really does give the opportunity to show your expertise, think differently, learn a lot and gain some quality connections in the process. As I said I am torn - not anti the quantity argument. The video does make a very compelling case for putting quantity into the sausage machine and getting some golden nuggets (or golden sausages !!) out the other end. I am probably an in-betweeny. Cultivating a pretty big network, in the 100s rather than 1000s, but trying to maintain a group that are contacts (they will remember my name) rather than a huge random list. I am open minded and will keep reading the articles and watching the videos........so thanks for that thought provokation Thomas !

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Peter Boaz Jones

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Quantity and/or Quality

I can see how you can say quantity and/or quality, as it is a subject related to what one is trying to do. Some things like cigarettes because even now they are sure sellers only make pennies, but because of the quantity of their sales they make money. Other things have a higher values with pounds being made, but less quantity of volume of sales. Though I agree the numbers game has been proven over and over again where the unknown quantity has characteristics or qualities that are not yet known and that may affect the outcome of something

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scott robinson

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Quantity and/or Quality

Great blogg. Personally I am a firm believer that people don't come to you by accident but, on a quantum level, you meet them when you need to meet them. I know most hard nosed business people will scoff but it happens so often I don't think it can be discounted so easily. Ecademy is great because it facilitates this process.

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Bob Barker

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Self management and balance

Great video Thomas, as we discussed the self management and getting the balance right of time spent online is critical. I'd be interested what your guidelines are for this on the course. But Ecademy gets it right with its mix of online & offline. Bob Barker +44 7768 936916

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Hugh Schoenemann

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Quantity and/or Quality

This Quantity vs. Quality debate has been going on for years, and it is good that Thomas puts a modern slant on it. The classic tension between the two manifests itself in so many ways in business; speaking personally and from a sales perspective, one has to pan through a whole bunch of "Quantity" (cold calls, tips, leads etc.) to get to the nuggets of "Quality" (warm- and hot prospects) that drive any business forward with new customers - 'twas ever thus. Maybe there are tools out there to help speed up the sifting process through profiling etc., but my belief is that the quality work will continue to be done by humans; IT, after all, can struggle to put a context on things. Of course, the more cynical out there have said, and may continue to say, that the more mud you throw at a wall, the more will stick. lf that's the spin they want to put on the process, then fine - let them hang around waiting for the business to come to them, and we'll see who goes to the wall first. Kind regards all. Hugh Schoenemann Kdesign Group Ltd. www.willpowergb.co.uk Listed on The Best of Basingstoke

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Thomas Power

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Quantity and/or Quality

Isn't it interesting there are now only 5 places left on my social media retreat since this blog was published. 4 of the 8 booked I have never met. Why are they coming? On this retreat I intend to share with the 12 my usernames and passwords so you/they can become me and see the information inputs coming at me every second. Some will be staggered by this others shocked. Thomas Power Chairman Ecademy

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Peter Syme

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Quantity and/or Quality

The numbers do not stack for me I am afraid I have around 20000 paying clients per year, I intend to double that over the next couple of years. If I am to do that by networking Thomas is stating that he "knows for sure " that you will get some business from 1 in a 100 in a network so for me to double my client numbers by networking I need 2 million in my network! Peter

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Armin Kittl

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Quantity and/or Quality

Hi Thomas, I think that you are absolutely right. There is much more potential in the people you don´t know than the people you know! There are so many possibilities worldwide and nobody use this possibilty! It os absolutely great what you are doning with ecademy! B. Rgds Armin Kittl

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Rob Abdul

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Quantity and/or Quality

That you for the rich information and enPOWERrment ; I looks like you have spent considerable time on this. It is appreciated! As a pupil in school I was always told by my teachers that quality is more important to quantity. Why would one want more of something that is not quality? I'm the World's No #1 "e-commerce expert" & "ebusiness specialist" in Google, Bing, Yahoo, AOL, & Ask.

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Emmanuel Sodipo

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Quantity and/or Quality

Great Content and Very Well Done

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N Bhashyam

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Quantity and/or Quality

Ecademy force multiplies the social network with focus on business and self development. N Bhashyam

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Jan Mulder

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Quantity and/or Quality

Hi Thomas, Great video and insight. In the Netherlands we also have similar discussions on quality versus quantity. I prefer to use the words (thanks to Ivan Misner) visibility and credibility. Visibility is your input, being invisible is not an option in this era. Credibility is the output, with guaranteed access to knowledge, people and business. Always an positive outcome for your network. Jan Mulder Director of Encounters

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markhutchinson1-236242

Quantity and/or Quality

I think the dilemma on ecademy is that if you are a marketing coach, seo guru, website designer etc then 95% of businesses/individuals on ecademy are likely to be potential prospects/customers for you and it's worth making contact with pretty much everyone. For many organisations organisations (including us) our offering is more focussed for a particular target market(s), as an example it could be manufacturing companies with 10 to 50 employees. The search facility on ecademy (unless I have missed something) doesn't allow me to easily identify my target market by industry or no of employees unless it's just

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Penny Power

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Quantity and/or Quality

Great words and video Thomas, if anyone could step into our home and hear Thomas argue Quantity and I argue for Quality, I guess this blog and video means you win the game my man! Brilliant you won me over with - Quantity = INPUT Quality = OUTPUT Warm regards Penny Power +447771 543478 Founder-Ecademy Connecting Business People - through Business Networking To learn more about how Ecademy and how Social Networking can help your business, read my Blog Using Social Networks to grow your Business.. To learn more about becoming a BlackStar Click >>> HERE Also please read my latest Blog - Web 3.0 - 'Community, Tools and Intention' - how to achieve leverage though software and people

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Alan Bowman

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Quantity and/or Quality

Hi Mehmet Thanks and have used it before to explain the concept when had to in the 80's and 90's with reps and networkers then and totally agree with Thomas on all of this. Hope you are good and like the Vienna and Munich City stories. Kindest regards Alan

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Mark Sinclair

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Quantity and/or Quality

I've been part of the Thomas Power random fusion experiment and so far, very interesting results. I'll report later this year. Mark Sinclair, Features Editor, yourBusinessChannel Also connect with me on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and LinkedIn. Find out about the Million Dollar Challenge by taking a look at my profile.

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Alan Bowman

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Quantity and/or Quality

Quantity in Quality out is like panning for Gold, you do a lot of digging and sifting to get to the nuggets. More importantly where do you dig and is it serendipity (randomness) that leads you to the right area or not. All I know from all that has been written on this subject is that it sure is a great piece to be working on Thomas and good luck with your quest. The more YOU practise the luckier YOU will get to plagarise from Gary Player. Kind regards Alan

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