The real tragedy of the London riots...

The real tragedy.

Somebody in London had a message they wanted to give the world, just like most of us business owners. A boy was shot and they wanted answers.

We work our arses off everyday in business pitching, publishing books, productising, wrestling with new technology, building profiles online, fighting regulations, paying taxes and wages, structuring partnerships on ecademy and everything else we do to try and move forward in business, and we all celebrate like crazy when we get a tiny TV interview or press release for our message.

If your business is anything like mine, my guess is that you have a message behind your business that you believe is important to the world.

Instead of all the hard work, by using violence they get their message out to the entire world and all the media attention they wanted in the first place.

There is something wrong here and I don't know the answers.

Why Ecademy members?

We could not work any harder to spread our message, it is no wonder they choose the violent option, because the tragedy is, it works...

...and it is tragic.

When I think of the people that worked so hard to set up those shops that have been smashed up and looted it makes me feel so sad.

That might be bankruptcy for their business.

I really look to you all for inspiration and would love to hear your thoughts.

Simon Dixon
CEO BankToTheFuture.com
Founder of Benedix
Author 'Student To CEO: 97 Ways To Influence Your Way To The Top In Banking & Finance'

Richard J Francis

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Simon - I've left leaving a message on this topic until a few months after the riots for a reason. People are often emotive after such violent upsurges - and rightly so. I cannot fault many of your sentiments (I felt the same over many of them). The key 2 elements for me here for the UK are sustainability & shared purpose. Sustained strategy around recovery is a long haul - in the case of countries like China - a long term plan is decades. The world flooding of cheaper manufactured goods was not an overnight execution - it was planned for over a prolonged period - probably way before the fall of communism. They will now be onto Phase 2, etc. These plans unfold over generations. Now - you could argue correctly that China is less democratic than UK. I know people who worked in China for years. People there are told once to comply - they don't usually get told twice. As a banking economist rather bluntly pointed out in a pitch earlier this year: "2012 GDP growth in China is predicted as 8% - most countries would kill for that - er, China probably does". Somewhere though - between totalitarianism and 'democracy' (hold that thought - I'll come back to that) is a shade of grey that would allow for a national UK strategic unit to be INDEPENDENT of the fickle forces of electioneeting (and sorry - the EU as well) - and to be custodians of a 3 decade turnaround strategy - and also define national goals. The UK has good track record of adhering to straightforward 'must win' strategies. It built us an empire that coloured half the atlas red and won us two world wars. Shared purpose. That's really the cancer in our society - far worse than in many other European countries I visit (some regularly due to family connections). Just as if we were the imaginary 53rd state of the USA - we have a massively divided society now - and the gaps continue to widen further. This is not good. Most of us still remember with disdain the brazen assertions of the exiting Sir Fred Goodwin 'demanding' his pension and pay-off rights from RBS following the largest corporate loss (£24bn) in UK history during his lavish spending tenure at the helm of RBS. Our latest crop of top-level politicians have mainly all (left, right and centre) been educated at the UK's most prestigious schools, before reading the 'right' degrees at Oxbridge and then moving into long term ladder-ascending careers in Whitehall. Ordinary people feel so disconnected from such 'leaders' they may as well be from Mars. Why are we then surprised that our welfare bill is £200bn annually? Why are we surprised that the police face the vitriol of mob hatred when much of the work of the police and courts has been shaped by people who wouldn't know the inside of a police station or a policeman's beat from a coat-rack? That was my point about democracy. It suddenly doesn't feel democratic any longer. When a country splits this drastically - shared purpose is a laughing stock. Eventually - we could face civil war if nobody makes any attempt to close the gaps and pull the fabric back together. Working environments are not good either - and do not foster shared purpose - but in many ways - drive a wedge inbetween the collaborative process. Health & safety isn't risk and safety. People often leave jobs less about money - and more to do with the fact they aren't feeling like a valued contributor. How expensive is "thank you" once in a while? Divided cubicles, lack of good 'downtime' space at work - nobody much to bounce ideas off as everyone is tine-sheeted and audited - like clocking in and out. Play (not a creche) - but activities in the workplace that stimulate "what if we did this / or that" are increasingly being strangled as business owners and shareholders succumb to media hysteria about failing economies instead of working harder to turn over opportunities and give people room to exploit them. Opportunity is everywhere - but in many cases people's access to develop it is clipped, stunted or closed off altogether. To come back to riots - against this backdrop - some of it was undoubtedly "the right to free trainers & TV's" - but I think this is a symptom and not a root cause. Until we spend more quality time (with quality people involved) fixing the root cause Simon - I fear we haven't seen the last of these events - I really don't. Richard J Francis Commercial Tuner www.boardroombreakthrough.com

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mark wing

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On 22nd July, after our last Brand Network event in which we debated Brand UK, Alan Rae rather prophetically said here; The essence of brand UK is - misbehaviour If Alan is right and misbehaviour is the essence of Brand UK, then what can be done to ring in the changes. Because, I'm sure we do not want our reputation worldwide to continue to be tarnished in this way. So if you were in charge, what would you do? What will it take to make us proud again... or are the rioters right to make there point the way they did? Come and share your views on Brand UK (again) this Thursday afternoon in London.

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Jack Hamilton

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Good post Simon-- Though no surprise that the rioting occurred. My opinion is that similar events will happen here in the U.S in due time. It is still upsetting to me when these things happen. It's truly tragic for everyone who is impacted. If anyone you know personally has ever been mugged, physically attacked, etc. you know how painful it is and how powerless one feels to do anything to help...a lot of thuggery goes unpunished. Now, the government's knee jerk reaction is to come down extremely hard on those who have been captured to send a message. The problem with that is that it sets society on a path to less freedoms...people who are solid citizens pay the price. Those who choose the criminal path will continue to do so. Limiting personal freedoms is a slippery slope. This is a very complex situation/problem that will require new thinking and better leadership from many. I hope that we take notes here in the States...there is a simmering discontent here and it will come to a boil eventually. Best Regards, Jack Hamilton

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Mariola Innes

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Many young people today have a very lost lifestyle, no purpose in life and no feeling of gratitude. Society has lost its order, children have no respect for parents, for the life they were given, for their shelter and food. Students don't have respect towards teachers, and very often intimidate them with violent behaviour. Mankind as a whole has forgotten that all we have, experience, use, eat and live has been given to us by God. Yet we don't feel it, we think that government owes us, that someone else should resolve problems we all face on a global scale. Yet we have the power to change many things but stay behind minding our own business. Few people are aware that the situation we are in isn't pleasing to God. After all He did not spent billion of years creating this planet, our resources, trees and plants, ocean and rivers so that we could destroy it in a blip of time, in a life of one or two generations. So He will no longer stand and watch us destroying ourselves and His creation. No loving parent ever would. He will do everything to restore this world and people who live their lives back to front. Notice, how in the last decade or so the need for spirituality has come to the fore. Everyone on the pathway wants to get somehow this elusive spiritual aspect. Many people think that by reading inspirational books, meditating, helping others they will get there one day. My friends, believe when I tell you, there is no faster way of attaining true spirituality than purifying your impurities and reforming of attitude. Three years ago a project was developed where a group of young offenders were taught skills in carpentry and spiritual values. The reoffeMany young people today have a very lost lifestyle, no purpose in life and no feeling of gratitude. Society has lost its order, children have no respect for parents, for the life they were given, for their shelter and food. Students don't have respect towards teachers, and very often intimidate them with violent behaviour. Mankind as a whole has forgotten that all we have, experience, use, eat and live has been given to us by God. Yet we don't feel it, we think that government owes us, that someone else should resolve problems we all face on a global scale. Yet we have the power to change many things but stay behind minding our own business. Few people are aware that the situation we are in isn't pleasing to God. After all He did not spent billion of years creating this planet, our resources, trees and plants, ocean and rivers so that we could destroy it in a blip of time, in a life of one or two generations. So He will no longer stand and watch us destroying ourselves and His creation. No loving parent ever would. He will do everything to restore this world and people who live their lives back to front. Notice, how in the last decade or so the need for spirituality has come to the fore. Everyone on the pathway wants to get somehow this elusive spiritual aspect. Many people think that by reading inspirational books, meditating, helping others they will get there one day. My friends, believe when I tell you, there is no faster way of attaining true spirituality than purging your impurities and reforming of attitude. A couple of years ago a project was run with a group of juvenile people with previous criminal record. It is known that when such vulnerable youngsters go to main prisons their contact with criminal minds there feeds them more ideas. So it is not surprising that the re -offending rate is pretty high. This group however was taught skills in carpentry alongside with spiritual values and personal attitude. The re-offending rate in this group dropped down to 2%. The behaviour of these young people dramatically changed that their own parents could not believe how polite and helpful they were towards them. We put great stress on education, but little is taught when it comes to spiritual values. Most people today lead materially oriented lives with little awareness of where it all came from. Even less people realise that if they take it all for grunted one day may be taken away. And unfortunately it is already happening. So few understand true meaning of gratitude, especially gratitude to God, for if it wasn't for His creation we could not manufacture anything. God can exist without us, we can't exist without Him and Nature yet we reap without care or awareness. The educational program already exists and is implemented with young and not so old around the world and changes people's lives. It is open to anyone, of any background, religious believes or no believes. All you need is to be willing to implement it. Anyone interested or are you just venting? If you are contact me for more details.

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Lucas Wyrsch

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Dear Simon, I've just read an interesting article, in German, from Neue Zurcher Zeitung that I liked to share with you "Das grosse Aufräumen - Das Überraschende an den Krawallen in den englischen Problemvierteln war, dass sie so lange auf sich warten liessen" (The big cleanup - The surprising thing about the riots in the British quarters problem was that they left so long in coming)! An amazing article that explains where the roots of the problems can be found, I think! Have a great and prosperous time! Best - Lucas Join The Swiss Business Club - Join the GuanXi Game Club - Join the Risk Consulting Club - And Join Doing Business Virtually!

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Pandora Harrop

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Pandora Harrop The way these young people behaved is what happens when there is no structure in a young persons life, no hope, desperate, nothing to look forward to, when young people feel there is no way out of their present situation. I'm sure some of us have seen something that is so unjust that we are just lost for words, when all we can think of is using violence to correct the situation. Then our age or the way we've been brought up influences our thoughts and logic takes over. Really what has this generation seen, hypocrisy, lies, double standards, wars for profit. Governments all over the world take part in corruption, in fuelling hatred and never listening to what their citizens want, so is it any surprise that this generation has had enough. It's time for MAJOR CHANGE, are we all ready for it that is the question?

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Sharon Eden

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Nick Heap

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Unfortunately, when you investigate problems, and their causes especially ones as huge as the multiple causes of the rioting and looting, it can make you feel miserable, afraid and powerless. The alternative is to look for what is already working and build from there. You can already feel the positive impact of just one story, that of the courageous leadership of Tariq Jahan, who prevented interracial mayhem following the murder of his son. Where are there other stories of positive, healing leadership following the riots? Where are the stories about young people making their communities better (there will be some)? Where are the stories of parents excellently changing their wayward children's behaviour? Where are there disadvantaged communities that have a sense of pride and are safe? Who are the rich and powerful who are actively building a better world? Where are the young people or graduates that have created viable businesses out of nothing? etc etc If we can find and share positive stories like this, they will generate hope and inspire positive action and counter what I fear may become despair and resignation. If you have any ideas how to do this, please share them here and act too! (if you think this is an worth while idea) The only other thing I have done so far is to tweet with the hashtag #healthybritain and invite people to post their stories. Interesting times indeed.

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andrew james campbell

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"On the one hand we are subject to a 'dictatorship of commoditisation'; we are trained to identify with a set of gadgets and brands, and yet, on the other hand, an increasing number of the people around us are left out -- they can barely afford to possess these objects of desire, and find themselves removed from the 'identity game'. They become faceless, their existence denied, left to wander, ghost-like, wrapped in training suits in a society driven by ruthless hard capitalism and sheer greed." Yep! It's systemic. Maybe we need to take a leaf from Momo's book ;-) Thomas.

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Thomas Power

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Thomas Power

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Guner B.

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GILAD ATZMON: LONDON RIOTS AND THE BIG PICTURE SUNDAY, AUGUST 14, 2011 AT 2:54AM GILAD ATZMON It is astonishing to find that the British press that is so quick to tell us about the 'true' nature and motivations behind each mass protest in the Arab world, is somehow intellectually lame in its attempt to grasp their own huge scale riots at home. Until now, I have failed to see even a single worthy analytical attempt to understand the full meaning or significance of the current violent events taking place on the streets of cities all over the UK. British papers have been outlining the events as being driven by, associated with, and defined by hooliganism. They talk to the victims, and sometime even manage to interview some protagonists and perpetrators. But, amongst such shallow, sensationalist coverage, we are still missing the most important information. What is the demography of the riots? Who is leading it? Does it have any leaders? Is there an ideology behind it all? Why do they loot, what do they loot, and from whom do they loot? And most importantly, what is the meaning of it all? The events we saw in the past week in London, Birmingham, Liverpool, Bristol and Manchester were possible signs of disintegration within British society. Some sectors within the society were clearly saying "we have had enough of it." The truth is that these people we see rioting on our streets have been drifting away for quite some time, and no one has shown any concern, and now they are clearly not interested anymore in obedience to any notions of law and order. They do not see any great value in it. And the reason for that may be simple -- there is simply not much in it for them. What we see in Britain is not a political protest. It is not a battle with any coherent call for justice. Neither is it an outburst of mere racial hatred. It is none of those things -- and yet, considered in its entirety, it comprises and manifests all of those factors at once. It is actually a rejection of the entire system. It is a clear manifestation and forceful expression of generations who have lost all hope in a society that does not convey any prospect of a future for them -- what we now see in British cities is young people who are putting the current system on trial. It is a spontaneous eruption of a demand for recognition. For the obvious reasons not many in Britain are willing to listen to the desperate and urgent message voiced by the deprived. But I think that we must try to understand what is going on here. If you want to know why the British media fail to understand what is happening, the answer is fairly straightforward - though they are there to transmit an image and appearance of freedom of speech, liberty and the spirit of enlightenment, large parts of the British media are deeply embedded as an inherent part of a wider system which they serve and bolster. As a nation, we claim to believe in democracy -- though we often enough kill en masse in the name of freedom. Closer to the truth is the fact that we are submerged in a culture of self-love, and hence, we simply find it impossible to imagine that anyone within our proximity would dismiss our 'greatness.' And yet, here is the bad news -- it is clearly all spinning out of control now -- for far too long, we have been celebrating our 'greatness' at the expense of our underprivileged neighbours. Clearly, our next door neighbours do not buy into this notion of freedom and liberty, since they do not posses the means to celebrate such freedom: they are left out, excluded from the game. When I was young, I used to wonder what I would do when I had to finally support myself, and indeed, there were many options to choose from: education was available for most of us; but more than anything else, there were jobs to be found, since there were many different industries. I knew, for instance, that I would always be able to at least settle in a factory job and support myself and my future family. But Britain doesn't offer any of that anymore. There are no jobs. There are no industries, and from this year, higher education will not be a viable option for countless youngsters. Tragically enough, our politicians do not appear to be at all concerned with these matters: British politicians, much like other Western politicians, seem impervious to the austere challenges faced by our youth, and the implications of all of these events for their future and their sense of hope. It has been convincingly argued that Western Liberal democracy is simply there to merely set parameters, and to create the appropriate conditions for big businesses. Such a state of affairs is certainly true in Britain. The democratic system in Britain can be more accurately described as a form of subtle, perfidious and devious political oppression that simply gives the appearance of the 'true reflection of our own will'. It gives the false impression that ultimately, the current order is nothing but fulfillment and reflection of 'our own personal choice.' The truth of the matter is actually far simpler -- the Western political system is there to maintain consumerism, and to keep big business going. Our civil freedom is reduced to a simple set of entitlements: we are free to consume, to buy, to spend, to purchase, to acquire, to lease, to hire, and to rent. And yet, there is a big problem here that will not go away, because as we move up the ladder of our consumer existence, more and more people are falling behind. As the more fortunate among us proceed upward, more and more youngsters are realising that they will never even be able to join the game. On the one hand we are subject to a 'dictatorship of commoditisation'; we are trained to identify with a set of gadgets and brands, and yet, on the other hand, an increasing number of the people around us are left out -- they can barely afford to possess these objects of desire, and find themselves removed from the 'identity game'. They become faceless, their existence denied, left to wander, ghost-like, wrapped in training suits in a society driven by ruthless hard capitalism and sheer greed. Such a reading of the riots in London may well help us to grasp the fact that many looters were apparently happy to be pictured by the press as they were seen in the streets with their new possessions. For the first time, they also had a chance to join the Western 'symbolic order'. They smile at the camera, showing off their entry card into our society. They don't want to be faceless anymore -- they insist to be seen. Lamentably enough, British politicians seem to be very enthusiastic about 'moral interventionism' in other countries. But I believe that the time is ripe for Britain to be subjected to a true form of moral interventionism -- an influx of spiritual ideas that would redeem us all from mammon-seeking and hard Capitalism. Yet it is increasingly clear that within the British political spectrum we will not find any such force that could lead to such a transformation, and that is indeed both a volatile and tragic situation. source: http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-london-riots-and-the-big-picture.html

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Jeff Mowatt

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@Simon "There are solutions for starvation through social enterprise" Indeed Simon and that's the reason for taking it to Russia, reporting that: "There were also critical food shortages in the region, children living on the streets because they considered orphanages intolerable, women having to resort to prostitution to feed their children, and a near-total lack of new economic opportunities. Economic opportunities for women were routinely negotiated in bed, if at all." . When interviewed in 2004, my colleague Terry has this to say: "Essentially, P-CED challenges conventional capitalism as an insufficient economic paradigm, as evidenced by billions of people in the world living in poverty in capitalist countries and otherwise. Under the conventional scheme, capitalism - enterprise for profit - has certainly transformed much of the world and created a new breed of people in capitalist societies, the middle class. That is a good thing. But, capitalism seems to have developed as far as it can to produce this new class of fairly comfortable people between rich and poor, at least in the West where it has flourished for quite some time. The problem is that profit and money still tend to accumulate in the hands of comparatively few people. Money, symbolically representing wealth and ownership of material assets, is not an infinite resource. When it accumulates in enormous quantities in the hands of a few people, that means other people are going to be denied. If everyone in the world has enough to live a decent life and not in poverty, then there is no great problem with some people having far more than they need. But, that's not the case, and there are no rules in the previous capitalist system to fix that. Profit and numbers have no conscience, and anything done in their name has been accepted as an unavoidable aspect of capitalism." It's the same year as his letter to presidential candidates, Kerry and Edwards which I posted in full here yesterday. Pointing out their omission of the T-word, taxation, he refers to "the egregious, ill-begotten war in Iraq" and suggests they "implement social enterprise as a formal aspect of US economic policy" It's a message re-iterated in 2006, with the summary and conclusion of our 'Marshall Plan' strategy for Ukraine:and a 1.5 billion dollar social enterprise innovation fund. In November 2008, candidate Obama "promised to create a Social Entrepreneurship Agency within the Corporation for National and Community Service. He proposed $3.5 billion a year for social investment, paid for by ending the war in Iraq and eliminating corporate tax loopholes." So my obvious question is, with all this now understood and an operation model established here since 2004, why are we still largely talking about it? The greatest investment I see in social enterprise are in conferences and think tanks, the creation of celebrity not on what had been achieved but by what the celebrated say they are "going to do".An elite who don't want anyone else on their rhetorical gravy train. I can't help imagining how it might have been had this bleeding edge advocate been attributed for his work and we'd been repaid our long term investment. He might well have been able to afford medical insurance or perhaps fund the liver transplant he may soon need from our own resources. In this respect he has ended up like the economic disenfranchised children we advocate for , a victim of an "insufficient paradigm" which as he put it 15 years ago "put numbers ahead of people, capitalism ahead of democracy, and degradation ahead of compassion."

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Lucas Wyrsch

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Danger ahead, says World Bank chief Robert ZoellickTHE world has moved into a "new and more dangerous phase" of economic uncertainty because of the European sovereign debt crisis, according to World Bank president Robert Zoellick. "In the past couple of weeks the world has moved from a troubled multi-speed recovery - with emerging markets and a few economies like Australia having good growth, and developed markets struggling - to a new and more dangerous phase." Robert Zoellick is right that Australia with emerging markets are having good economic growth! Australia and most emerging markets have no nuclear power plants in operation! What inhibits economic growth?Commercial use of nuclear power! In 1990 GDR went bankrupt because of nuclear power plants and had to be integrated into FRG! All nuclear power plants of former GDR were shut down! In 1992 USSR went bankrupt because of nuclear power plants! Two major nuclear power plant accidents happened in USSR before 1992: Kyshtym in 1957 and Chernobyl in 1986 In 2000 Argentina went bankrupt and still uses nuclear power plants! In 2011, US was downgraded by S&P and still uses 20 percent of nuclear power! In 2011, EU endures a sovereign debt crisis and still uses 28 percent of nuclear power! in 2011, France has released economic figures by Insee that showed that country's economy had delivered zero growth! France generates 80 percent of nuclear power! In 2011, Spain has a youth unemployment rate of 45 percent and still uses all nuclear power plants! In 2011, UK was hit by riots and still generates 15 percent of nuclear power! 33 years ago, my professor in nuclear physics at the university of Geneva, who co-signed the "Geneva Call" (Appel de Genève) with prominent scientists, professors and politicians from the Geneva region to the attention of all European governments, told us students in physics that the commercial use of nuclear power will bankrupt each and every country, it's only a question of time! UK would be well adviced to follow Austria, Germany, Italy, Japan and Switzerland and phase out from nuclear power! German Example Shows Way Out of Debt CrisisAlmost all the industrialized economies are struggling under the weight of enormous debt levels. The problem is their government revenues are too low. Debt-ridden countries like the United States, Ireland and Japan need to raise their taxes to a similar level to Germany. As soon as Germany closed down some of its nuclear power plants, German economic growth increased! The most efficient way to save economic problems and to generate more wealth and economic growth is to phase out from nuclear power! This is just my two cents of input! Have a great and prosperous time! Best - Lucas Join The Swiss Business Club - Join the GuanXi Game Club - Join the Risk Consulting Club - And Join Doing Business Virtually!

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Ljiljana Dulic - Grbic

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We all have to stop the violence. Our kids deserve better future. Turn of TV! Media war is so terrible. "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other. We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in the ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa Spread love everywhere you go. Let no one ever come to you without leaving happier. Mother Teresa http://www.courttranslator-swedish-english-serbian.com http://www.courttranslator-swedish-english-serbian.com

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Konrad Farnbauer-Schmidt

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Don't we measure different? In North Africa and Middle East we applause. In Europe we condemn. I don't understand Germans selling submarines to Israel and tanks to Saudis. Well must I understand what shows even veiled to our governments. By their fruits you shall know them.

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Zaigham Abbas

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Dear Friend Real tragedy of our life is that we are trying to implement every thing by ourself. While GOD has promised to send Holy Jesus for peace and justice. We have just forgotten it. In my opinion we should work and pray for the earliest coming of the Holy Jesus, The Savior of the Times. And it is very interesting that every religion is waiting for him, like Jews , Muslims , Hindus etc. but with different names. Lets join together for HIM.

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Sandy Grey

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1) When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. ~ Jimi Hendrix 2) The Bible gives us the answers to everything in this life and it's free, but many people, generation after generation, rich and poor, government after government, and scientists choose to reject it. That's where the problem lies. Man has completely lost his way. Ephraim is a silly dove without sense - Hosea Seek the Lord while he may be found - Isaiah 55:6

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Victoria Bullis

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victoria@victoriabullis.com The media has almost become akin to a religion; people are so wired into mobiles, computers, television, movies that what is put forth by them, hodgepodge even conflicting information as it is has become reality to many, especially those under 35 who grew up this way; they believe what the media and entertainment industry want them to believe. This year rioting with some results of incredible power (enough to overthrow countries) all around northern Africa became the norm for awhile--long enough for young people whose attentions are quickly on to the next sensational news, to absorb and process it in their mind: as we do everything we focus intense attention on. It became recent memory to draw on and have a comfort level with doing as well. Then there is the obvious mob psychology and all that that means. The need to fit in to a group (Maslov's belonging level gone awry); the deep seated anger at those who seem to have everything, depression and low self esteem some of which comes from poor education, family rearing and hopelessness. Also is the adrenaline rush and an excuse to have rage be acceptable. Another way of saying this might be that it quickly affected those who were following the incitement to riot on twitter to be affected mentally, emotionally, physically and --if media (incl social media) can be viewed as an all-inlfuencing factor such as a strong religion can be--'spiritually'. Ie, the various components became more than many tuning in were able to ignore. I believe that subversive elements capitalized on all of the above, and other known incitement factors and worked it.

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Andrew McDonald

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We have a marketing product that can help the victims of the riots, we are trying to find community based charities in the areas affected to have free listings on our site and company's who would like to use our product who would like to help those charities. For more info follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/#!/CrimeHangers or contact us if you are a charity

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Norine Peardon

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What To Look For When Buying Your First House OHS Golden Class ReunionNap Videos The children involved in the London riots are misdirecting their talents to violence. Perhaps, if they had to repair some of the damage and their parents were required to finance the effort, they would realize that their energy and talents would be better spent doing good for others. Who knows, it could come to pass that these kids could even solve the world financial crisises and would work hard to do so.

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Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A

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London riots 07-08-2011/09-08-2011 : in this African origin people burn 200 cars , and few shops ,loot many shops for basis things , Mark Duggan ( A African origin ,UK Minority by race , whose age 29 Years , was Killed by shot dead at his chest , by a Scotland Yard firearms officer. While he was having no arm with him , was killed during , stop and discussion only =talk only , the first bullet fire done by Police only , he (Mark Duggan ( A African origin ) , was only trying to put police gun down from his body , investigation in process by Independent Police Complaints Commission UK , they given some brief which indicate the mistake of Police man, and forensic results still remaining to come at news , but till now it look it mistake of Police officer , which make angry to All, African origin people living in UK ,Britain , hence they did loot , burn to two buildings and one bus , which was wrong done , most of rioters got caught via CCTV Footage , which are every where in hidden in UK , London and its all cities =like Liverpool ,London, Birmingham, Bristol , Peckham, ++ total 6 =six cities have captured in riots , UK have 4.0 millions, African origin people and most of them are Poor , even not rich up to USA based African origin citizens , may be one of the reason make this incident of one kill wide , wider , due to Discrimination condition of UK Minority by race, but over all this riots is not good , they = UK Minority by race did crime , and crimes , by doing riots at many places , it can be stop if UK Police have 30% staff of A African origin =UK Minority by race, See USA ,it have president who have gene from Africa =Kenya , see former Defense e secretary was of A African origin gene , condella rice =the former state secretary was of African origin gene , and over all USA defense e have 20% to 25% staff from African origin gene , UK have to learn from USA , then only such incident will bale to stop in future !!?? Is UK have any top political figure like this , in there today and history it self ,No , No !! That 's why !!?? but still the going on riots are crime , Please I have Two publications Against Weapon of mass destruction =WMD .= against Al-Qaida , few against Hindutava terror !!? ( Note I did these publication s from ME=-Gulf named Honest nation ,Good people nation ,not from India !!??,No way !!??) Pl I am one of the reviewer in J . Schizophrenia Research ( www. elsevier.com) from May 2007 , I am reviewer in Journal of Law and Conflict Resolution =www.academicjournals.org/JLCR ,ISSN 2006-9804 . Pl I have two publications against Al-Qaida , one against LTTE =South Indian in ME=Gulf !? , few against Hindutava terror groups ,which came from real life in India !!?? Please recently = 15th April /March -2008 , my one paper=Abstract got selected in prime conference of royal society of chemistry =www.rsc.org/arf08 = Analytical Research Forum 2008, Title: Ruhel New concept to anti -chemical terror by use of speed checker AND Chemical detective sensors to stop Al-Quaida attack at Saudi Aramco AND SABIC AND Other Petrochemicals companies in Gulf and whole world , = Two publications Against Bio chemical, Chemical terror =Weapon of mass destruction =WMD . ,Pl I am one of the reviewer in International Journal of Psychology and Counseling http://www.academicjournals.org/Ijpc AND Journal Of Public Health And Epidemiology (www.academicjournals.org/JPHE) ) and from August 2009 ., Pl I am one of the Reviewer in African journal of Environmental science and Technology =www.academicjournals.org/ajest I am reviewer in International Journal of Peace and Development Studies= www.academicjournals.org/IJPDS,I am reviewer in Journal Clinical reviews and options = www.academicjournals.org/cro, =http://www.academicjournals.org/CRO/Email.htm, I am reviewer in Journal of Engineering and Technology Research =www.academicjournals.org/JETR Pl , I have Position ,at- College=BSc ,& university level in Physics = 75% in Physics in 1989 2nd year BSc +82% in Organic chemistry 1st year ,1988 BSc, Have 78% in Integration and differential =Maths 1989 BSc www.mlsu.ac.in, India , * Ten =10 - publications -at-international symposium on Instrument innovation , Chromatography , +environmental +=+ Pittcon 2003,04,05,06=www.Pittcon.org ,EAS=www.eas.org + , IUPAC=www.iupac.org, =www.iupac2003.org ,National research council Canada =www.nrc.ca =Canadian society for chemistry =CSC , www.rsc.org/arf08 =Royal society of chemistry ,UK, RACI ,IUPAC =www.raci2010.org, www.envirotox2011.org=EnviroTox 2011 [ Please list of Publications ] :- (1) New Dimension Against Terrorism: A New Sensor (Ruhel-Sensor) Three Different Sensor's Coupling CCD (CMOS) Sensor and Rodamass Sensor (Rode of Eye) - Coupled Olfactory Sensor-Olfactory-Enzymes Sensors Chisty R =.www.iupac.org =www.iupac2003.org P,21 ( AE-1.P033),: IUPAC - CSC 2003 Scientific Program TUESDAY, AUGUST 12 , AE - Analytical/Environment - Poster Session Chair: TBA , RChisty ,39Th IUPAC Congress and 86th conference of the Canadian society of Chemistry Aug 10-15 ,2003 Ottawa ,Ontario ,Canada = Against Weapon of mass destruction =WMD . Please I = Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A , want to be a USA Citizen as terrorist expert from India = A alone who have work against Al Quida ,Taliban and Hindu terror includes IB,RAW, NIA=http://nia.gov.in/!! like terrorist wings from past 1990 to till now 05-04-2011.

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Mioara Iacob

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Hello to each and every one of you! For three days I've been reading the comments - some I totally agree with, few I don't. However, under the circumstances, any suggestion to stop aggression should be taken into consideration: religion, meditation, punishment. I totally disagree with a Metropolitan police official's declaration that the "BBM connection, "inflammatory" messages on Twitter, Social media and other methods have been used to organize these levels of greed and criminality." Looting has been going on long before social media access, cell phones, texts etc. I'm not convinced the shooting and the way it was handled has led to the riot, but definitely the criminals took advantage of it. In my opinion, there are three aspects that need special attention to be paid to: television, education and communication. Studies show that people who were high TV-violence viewers as children are significantly more likely to commit crimes of different kinds. Of course, exposure to violence does not turn everybody into muggers; some begin to fear becoming victims and the TV news about rapes, murderers, robbers etc. make them believe they are living in an unsafe world. Reporters everywhere in the world show angry, violent people, poverty, bad teachers, vicious priests, abusive police officers, broken homes etc. Young people just imitate what they see on television. Some identify themselves with the victims, the others with the victimizers. Rarely do reporters or journalists offer ways to resolve conflicts. Psychology has long proved that emotions, just like germs, are contagious. People exposed to a person experiencing strong emotions may experience similar feelings, catching them through facial expressions, tones of voice or some other means. But now there is a new means of transmission - social media. Who is protected against these dangers and influences? Those who get healthy parenting and teaching. When encouraging young people to be confident, self-reliant, self-directed and responsible individuals, when raising their self-esteem we are giving them POWER. We don't need stones to prove power. We can combat violence with education. Despite the fact that speech has evolved a lot - about 2,700 languages and over 500,000 words in the English dictionaries - humans seem to have trouble communicating. Mark Pagel from the University of Reading demonstrates that humans evolved language to cooperate. 21st century tribes have gone back to using stones to prove power, to intimidate; like in the Paleolithic Era rioters were using clubs and throwing stones at the London police. Have these people behaved in an extreme way? Absolutely! Did feelings they could not control determine such behaviour? Do they have any excuse? Definitely not! Unlike the Stone Age people - who were men enough to confront their enemy - the young vandals have caused chaos and suffering hiding their identities. They planned the attacks; they had stolen masks and carried paving stones in suitcases. At the battle field, giggling, they took photos of the burning shops and cars like they needed a trophy. These people might have felt frustrated. Some are probably poor and unemployed. Many must have been victims to their parents' violence. A militaristic solution will not solve the conflict; a deeper solution is expected in the UK and all over Europe to discourage future violence. It's not too late; the rioters have not managed to turn the decent citizens into victims - to isolate, intimidate, and dispirit them, to make them lose the will and the ability to help themselves. Post riot clean-up Facebook Page is a good example. Thank you Thomas Power and Simon Dixon for this brainstorming session! Thank you everybody!

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Ewa Maslowska

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< I observe this tragedy from distance, as I live in Warsaw, Poland. I agree, it is a tragedy for the victims. And the vitims are on both sides. The young crasy people and those who suffered because of their atack. The young generation - they are our children. They are as we educate them. Did we really? What was wrong in the education system? That is the biggest question which should be answered. Freedom without responsibility? We can see how does it work. Shame of us. hr /> Ewa Maslowska

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Carolyn Williams

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Re Water Cannons Question...Action

Action Swift Action is necessary when law abiding citizens and their property, cars and businesses are being burnt and looted. I suggest to anyone who wants to just shrug their shoulders to face the mob and burning buildings with innocent victims inside. Next, the police and communities were caught out and up by these escalating organised mobs, the fall out from our drink and drugs culture. These young people need to be loved as they obviously appear to have no respect for the sanctity of Life. If you have worked building Youth Clubs devoting all your working life (my dad did and encourage participation in the Duke Of Edinburgh Awards and the Princes Trust schemes) you witness the turn around. If you work in Prison as I did, for three years helping young offenders rehabilitate from substance abuse you see and understand the spiral into despair.You don't dismiss action you take it! You listen you respond to the cries of despair and the need to be loved. When lawlessness and violence runs amok on our streets you can't afford the luxury of commenting on networks, your role is to protect the public. You act as many of the Kurdish, Turkish and Muslim business owners rightly did. Drink and drug destroys young lives, families and communities. You act to prevent the continued downward spiral. Wake up everyone it's on our doorstep and police, prison officers and the emergency services deal with it on an hourly basis. Education is paramount as it is in Prison and Youth Clubs helping these young offenders. When you raise morale and your sights, you then need to feel worthy and part of society by contributing to the community. Integrating young people into suitable jobs is about serving the community. The Manchester public showed resolve by sweeping the streets. The perpetrators need to be on the streets cleaning it and shaking the hands of all those who helped clear up their mess! That's gratitude. Note there is a loving moral code here. When values, care, love, guidance and education is missing then fueled by drink, drugs and hatred you get anarchy. Sparkle Thursday wishes. Great blog Simon. C:)x www.cardiffboardroom.co.uk www.lifestyle-online.co.uk

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Mohit Verma

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

It was really so bad and sad.......!!!! May GOD give peace to all.....:) Dr. Mohit Verma

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Milton Rodrigues

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SURPRISING PROFILE of Rioters emerges !!!

see: SUPRISING PROFILE of RIOTERS ! Not what you'd think ??? Milton Rodrigues Director, Surge-ITS Network Engineers, Wembley. BUSINESS CHUMS LTD.

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Jaime Yarbrough

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Mob mentality at its finest. The psychology of this is straight forward. Anger is unresolved pain. Fear of the unknown with only the past pain upon which to reflect. Misery loves company - and there is strength in numbers. Mass psychosis has momentum. The seeds of anarchy were planted long ago and / or the desire for it (?) All the adjectives and adverbs that are used to describe this from the perspective of "relatively civil society" / social norms are no doubt accurate. The same seems to have become superior at doing such as well. Pointing fingers - assigning blame and talking about something they frequently know nothing about and most certainly are not "doing" anything to stop it or better yet prevent it from growing / spreading or happening again. The tabloid press atmosphere that has encircled the globe to fan the proverbial flames is certainly not helping either. Man could go a long way to solving many of his problems by taking the profit out of sick, perverted, violent or tragic news. As I learned in an aviation safety class I took over 30 years ago "todays aircraft accident wraps tomorrows fish" - no one hears of the millions of people traveling millions of SAFE - uneventful miles on the same day of the accident. Its important to keep perspective and focus on the problem - not the result of the problem. IMO Jaime Yarbrough, President Smith River Industries

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Ray Tapajna

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

See Human Nature on Trial - The Rationale http://www.therationale.com/human-nature-on-trial/ - Is it a human nature crisis more than a money crisis. What can we expect when our economies based on making money on money instead of making things are burning out. Free trade came and tried to create new money products instead of jobs. Paper money is becoming just paper while the value of work and workers has been degraded. The global economic arena and the globalization of money has failed. Workers and consumers continue to shop their way out of their jobs. The biggest scam of the century is free trade and globalization. When the former president of General Electric says that all production should be put on barges ready to be moved again and again for the sake of cheaper labor, why is anyone surprised. Only local value added economies work where there are about 5 to 7 stages of added value from raw product to the end user or retail level. It is 1937 again and all the bail out money and stimulus programs in the world will not work. In the U.S. workers have gone through the most massive dislocation of jobs in history including the Great Depression. Free trade came and supposedly was going to make many nations export nations that could pay off international loans and interest while supplying consumers with cheaper products. The free traders forgot about the value of workers. They forgot that consumerism acts as the pillars of free trade and if consumers do not have enough money to buy even cheaper imports, the pillars are knocked away automatically. The globalist free traders "Flat World" is running on flat tires. Free trade and globalization now have a history of failures but this part of the equation is still left out of the picture. We need to form new ways of Solidarity. We as workers lost our way when we shopped our way out of our jobs. The Biblical passage - do unto others as you would have them do to you - has become more of a practical message in our times than just a spiritual one. Explore lost worlds in the Globalist Free Trade world at http://tapsearch.com/tapartnews http://tapsearch.com/flatworld Art that Talks Gallery at http://arklineart.fotopages.com Enjoy unlimited free web services and items at http://tapsearch.com See http://tapsearch.com/super-links for more.

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Amita Shanbag

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

The ethnic minorities of London have taken the law in their own hands. Criminality and discontent has led to chaos unfolding in the form of rioting and looting. The racial policy, and social framework need to be examined, and this coupled with equal opportunity, will work wonders in the long run. Those who lose out inspite of all this, should leave Great Britain.

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john trader

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

i have received many comments, some great some very balanced , some presumably written by people from a prison or a mental institution but its a straight choice. do you want the rule of law or anarchy . no other choice. if you want anarchy then leave me out

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Alexandre Avon

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

It's true that vigilantes are no solution. But invoking fascism (when not worse) as soon as someone condemns violence from burglars is a too well-known trick to maintain some specific people in charge. What is happening in England and, more generally, throughout Europe, must have political consequences against all that decided and took advantages of its political and economical causes. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100100087/london-riots-this-is-what-happens-when-multiculturalists-turn-a-blind-eye-to-gang-culture/

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Annabel Kaye

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Don't encourage vigilantes and violent responses

I am concerned about the general message of all your posts on this point. Many of us have been peacefully out on the streets, not with baseball bats acting as vigilantes, but as calm presences to help cool things down. I posted earlier abou having a horlicks and an early night was rebuked here. Since then a similar idea #haveacupoftea is trending - check the facebook page. Not only that in local areas we have had silent vigils from ordinary citizens not acting as vigilantes, from churches, to local political groups and even families - all out, quietly, peacefully on their streets. Please do not incite further violence or fear at this difficult time. The demand for a stronger leader to take harsh action in a difficlt time gave us fascism. We don't need hysteria now, we do need a few days of calm and then some reflection. Let the police get things as under control as they can, with or without the army and let us all calmly work in our own local community to reduce hysteria, rumour and fear -- those are the real enemy. Tel: 08452 303050 e-mail: info@irenicon.co.uk twitter: annabelkaye www.irenicon.co.uk Employment law with attitude www.koffeeklatch.co.uk www.balancingthebump.com

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Abdiel LeRoy

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The real tragedy of the London riots...a poem

'Furnace' - by Ian Reed (on the riots in U.K. cities, August 2011) Cities of England are ablaze in anger at the shot that killed a man whose skin was black, flames fanned by urban rot. They said he was the first to fire but that soon proved a lie, proving the police prevaricate when by their blows men die. Yet Cameron's carpe diem is to give them more military power, distract us from the phone-hacking scandal; that news has had its hour. Though fury may possess a crowd, its madness on camera caught, It's most the scourge of Want to loot what cannot be begged or bought. And, languishing in powerlessness yet called on to pay its tax, Want wants redress by any means, even self-harming attacks. Aug, 10, 2011

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Jon Boys

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I have read all your posts with great interest. Gandhi summed it up nicely by saying "Be the change you want the world to be" We have to put our own houses in order for others to then follow in our example. I have worked for years with young people from all backgrounds. Every child has the potential to become an Angel or a misfit. It depends on who and what influenced them. Personally I like to believe that all children could become socially acceptable and capable of doing well. However some just cannot see the wood from the trees. Regarding the young people who are destroying property and stealing for instant gratification, well we could shoot them, we could lock them all up, we could put them into boot camps, we could do lots of things to them. But from my experience that is simple plastering over the cracks. It will simply start up again even bigger and uglier some time or some place else. I don't know what the answer is but I do know that the few hundred young people I have helped to find a better way in their lives will never be on the News setting fire to building and showing a total disregard for their fellow beings. Why? Simply because I have showed them a better way. If every adult simply reached out and offered to transfer their skills and attitude to young people regardless of their background. Maybe in time things would change and be turned around. I could be totally wrong here but my 35 years experience working with troubled children and troubled adults says otherwise. What do you think? Jon Boys Managing Director Executive Coach and Personal Performance Coach IMS Group (Training, Coaching) " Reaching Out And Changing Lives" jon-boys@ntlworld.com

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Chris Davenport

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I've lived in the US/San Fran area during the '89 earthquake, Hawaii in the 60's during tsunami, London during the bombings and am now in Western Australia. Things aren't much different from country to country except how responsible/irresponsible parents are up to and including when their children reach transition age, and the backbone people display when natural disasters strike. It is by example and leadership that people become exceptional and they direct others toward the same path. It is clear these young people have had none of this guidance. I would love to see other young people who have the backbone band together with groups, resources and leadership to assist those damaged in this fruitless exercise in stupidity. Give heart back to the soul of London. The London who has survived so much...and perhaps some example to youngsters who sadly need it.

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Chris Davenport

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Hey guys... I know this is a tempting forum to over play the situation and get into the economics and the social metaphors; but there's just this underlying truth in it all. We have to acknowledge that our children are being pushed to early into responsibilities they cannot handle, our parenting skills are sad, we are afraid to step up when things are not right and we have lost our soul. People, when you see behavior that is not right, step up and be brave. Every time you back off, it makes the world more dangerous for everyone because our children (and we) loose their (our) way. Reset your compass people! Control the morals around you by example. Pick up your brooms and sweep your street clean. Help your neighborhood and shops to get back up on their feet. Take your children with you to help and for them to learn by example. Be real...get real.

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Stuart Chalmers

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

There have been some great comments here from the likes of Phil Shepherd, Steve Waldron as usual William Buist, Terri Ann Law, Zhana Brooks and many others but some of the attitudes here scare me more than the rioters. Some of these attitudes are reminiscent of the methods of certain dictators. For the sake of sanity perhaps it's best to put these attitudes down to strong feeling but I cannot help thinking that education has failed some of us. Some people have mentioned communism and capitalism but is it not true that the more successful systems we have are a blend of socialist and capitalist principals. Political extremes never work for very long and nor does rapid change. There is a very strong focus on materialism (as this stimulates wealth) in many of the world's societies but given the likely conclusion of the current path we are going down there will need to be some adjustments. Perhaps it is not exactly wealth we need, sustaining the current system is not the only option. We might take the current situation as one more indicator of this and in bite size chunks change the mix. More of an emphasis on social and environmental issues and taking our foot off of the capitalist side of things would probably help (I am less concerned with political left and right and more concerned with those that own 10 gas guzzling cars that they don't need, what a waste of resources and what a socially poor role model). The way things are going our armageddon will be economic and/or environmental should it occur (who can be sure). I agree with Steve Waldron when he says that a lot of the current rot was accelerated in the Thatcher years, it was quite a marked change at the time. The current riots are just one more indicator, how many indicators do we need? How many lampposts do you need to walk into before you realise this is a bad idea? So what to do? I don't pretend to have the answers but perhaps ... first each individual needs to look at their own house, there are some out there trying to adhere to a healthy moral code (I'm an atheist but the Christian moral code will do nicely, with a bit of updating maybe). A lot of small differences add up to a lot. A lot of it will need to be led/orchestrated by the government but they are elected by us. The trouble is we select those that want power and not those that deserve power. Nomination by merit perhaps? Instead of talking so much about what's happening during the riots perhaps we should concentrate even more on where we can go from here? We cannot change what has happened, we can only learn from it! We need to start applying some already well thought out solutions and find some new instead of treading the same old path that doesn't work. After all, in business we say that if what you are doing doesn't work then change what you are doing! What do you think? Stuart Chalmers

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Ewest Logo

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

This is the most marvelous event i ever saw!

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Dr Terry Loong

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Where do I begin?

Simon, a great question and something I find hard to answer. I try my best to stay away from bad news but this was too hard to ignore. And there was mixed feelings going through my mind reading the newspapers.... anger for the authorities not doing enough sadness and pain for what people are going through - both as the rioters (just that they could only express it in violence) or the business owners who have lost their business or home. Confusion of when this will end. Fear that it might come closer to my home and scar my ideals of a safe London. It is frustrating and distracting when you are trying to build your business and send the message to the world. I don't know..... one part of me want to shake parents up and give them a good yelling... how could they neglect their children in such a way that they grew up to be such hooligans!!! But are parents really to blame? The government? The Society? I'm not normally one to let out my anger ..... from the East, not very lady-like to do so .... and maybe with that, I'm struggling with this at the moment. Fearful of what might transpire if the anger of what's been happening boil over..... it might turn nasty! Maybe that's what happened to the rioters ... how it builded up..... maybe they just needed to be listened to .... but not now.... it really needed to start a LONG TIME AGO! So can this end? Not by punishment... as won't that cause more resentment, and build up anger? I don't know... I hope you can find the answer soon.

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Philani Lubanyana

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Riots are in London(ENG) or Harare(ZIM)? Surely it must be in Harare not London! Otherwise we need a plan "B" for 2012 London Games! Lastly why PM David Cameron is not calling NATO to protect British civilians? Let us hope that France will not be arming London Protesters!

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Carolyn Williams

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Water cannons question

A question been asked on a television Morning show is @Do we support the Police in using water cannons to disperse rioters, looters and arsonists on our streets? What do you think? Carolyn www.cardiffboardroom.co.uk www.lifestyle-online.co.uk

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Janet Swindlehurst

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I was listening to the news this morning and a girl was interviewed about the riots - she said that young people were fed up because they had no money. The Government was making them work for it, or go to college to get a career and earn money. She actually sounded shocked that this was happening and thought she was owed a living from "someone"! The real tragedy of the riots is that businesses are getting attacked, robbed and destroyed - this will force businesses to relocate and so create more unemployment in inner city areas. No employers, therefore no jobs. Why dont people think about this before they get involved in vandalism, arson and robbery?

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Daniel Roberts

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

The current riots across the land hold up a mirror to the moral and spiritual sickness of our nation. The issues facing us today are not primarily political or social but spiritual. This is yet another manifestation of the consequences of our nation turning its back on God and His ways. It follows the exposure of corruption in the banking system, the Parliamentary expenses scandal, the phone hacking inquiry and corruption in the police. This has been witnessed over the past few years in - The undermining of the family. Whereas the accepted norm was for any sexual activity to be within the constraints of marriage, so that children can be brought up in a loving family with two parents - alternatives, even homosexual ones, have been first tolerated, then accepted, then regarded as legitimate alternatives and then even promoted. - The abandonment of Christian teaching even though the requirement to maintain it is still in place under the 1944 education act. The sad thing is that we are now reaping the second - and sometimes third - generation of this promiscuity. Social media has shown how easily people can be motivated to civil disobedience. We have also seen how social media can be used to motivate people to help clear things up. God can use Facebook and Twitter to propagate the gospel too. I believe that God, in His mercy, is shining the light of His truth on to the ugly wound of our nation which is in need of cleansing and healing. The riots are the fruit of our betrayal of our younger generations whom we have robbed of hope and purpose. This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Return to me,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'and I will return to you,' says the LORD Almighty. Zechariah Ch1 v3 NIV It is time for Christians to start sharing the message. Maybe revival will start with the young. Daniel Roberts Director, Incartek (Ink Cartridge Technologies Ltd) www.OPUSalbums.com - print-your-own albums, digital photographic and creative papers and the best album/scrapbook software for digital photographers - or on eBay Photo4Biz Ecademy Group Leader - Silver Ecademists Ecademy Group Leader - Annointed for Business Ecademy Group Leader - Photography Ecademy Group Leader - EBay Sellers Forum

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Cezar Oprea

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Young or very young, imprecise ethnic profiling, but with certain criminal manners, well organized on the Blackberry, which means a plasma stolen social justice, a phone, something hauled goods more variety of neighborhood shops robbed overnight in brain. Most British comment on the incredible scenes of plunder and violence in London, Birmingham, Liverpool or Bristol report these common elements, as the press. The cause became sports night robberies on the outskirts of London - already know this - is not killing taxi driver Mark Duggan by police. Do not look too scholarly explanations of poverty and others. England offers show nightmare let criminals wander under the nose of police terror paralyzed by political correctness. It all started Saturday night when 300 people were gathered outside a police station in Tottenham, after a taxi driver for 29 years, Mark Duggan, father of four children, was killed Thursday in an exchange of fire with police. Exciting, but not enough to justify violence, arson and looting follow. Theft in the group requires a minimum organization. So how have mobilized so quickly? According UrbanMashup blog quoted by several British publications including the BBC, "it seems that posts BBM (BlackBerry Messenger) began to circulate after his shooting by police Duggan. They amplified the anger of young people who took to the streets. BBM was also used to spread news channel start riots. " UrbanMashup not explain why BBM and Tweeter Facebook. "BBM is known as an instant messaging system that has become popular for three reasons: it's fast (normally), is free and, unlike Twitter or Facebook, ensures confidentiality (...) The key here is that these Viral messages spread via BBM, being less visible to others, and the author is difficult to identify. " Do not understand here that BBM is a service designed for criminals. It's just a better channel of others, which may generate hidden social networks than others. Duggan's death was quickly forgotten. Violence for violence sake What happens here Saturday night is pure crime and violence free. And yet, why? "I talked to the robbers, the only explanation of their behavior that gave us today was that they have money," says an eyewitness quoted by the BBC online page. Another eyewitness quoted by the BBC reports how some individuals wearing motorcycle helmets and ski masks on the head "breaks, throwing bins in the street and laughed." Despite these relevant details, we finally removes the idea of ​​social justice and legitimate rebellion, the press continues to speak abusively about the "protests" spread from Tottenham in large cities. Protests against whom? Main-stream media keep politically correct tone and not focus on the face of new vandals. Publications on-line forums abound but brutes description by readers who have lived in their neighborhood nightmare nights. The Guardian website, a reader who signed Keldorn reports: "I have seen offenders demographic features that I saw. Original group, who drove at 3.15 at night, they were all black and looked 20-something years. Groups that came later look younger - some clearly children - and when I saw faces I have seen almost all ethnicity represented. There was even a couple of old-fashioned (over 40, looking hippie), accompanying one of the groups. (...) The destruction of my neighbors cars is not any statement against the system is simply a crime - violence for the sake of violence. " Some comments ask, of course, violence in the cities of England on account of poverty, piggy-back system or unjustly accused leftist policies that have learned to help. Others blame the immigrants, the economic crisis on poverty and unemployment, the "bankers who steal all their spades in hand as hooligans the streets of London." But listen to the voice of common sense again. An eyewitness to post forum-robot Guardian drawn portrait of the offender out of control "are opportunistic criminals, most of them very young, and I think half of them have no idea how the protests started at Tottenham. I saw the looting window Clapham Junction: come prepared with bags and bags massive jumbo-size, loading boxes in cars and women entrepreneurs by launching the whirlwind (...) It's curious how many stores plasma TV, mobile phones and other expensive goods company were the target of these "protesters"? British police have complex Most of those arrested by British police are reported to be young and very young. Of course, maybe start a full national debate about the lack of opportunity, education, jobs, etc. crisis. But here is the simple reality that the British see the window of their house terrified: these people steal and kill just because they want to have everything as much and as quickly, though it would be better to work longer and have. What about their dehumanization and animalization the idea of ​​protest against the system? None, of course. How low must be lower on the evolutionary scale to rob someone filled with blood under the pretext that you want to help? What can be called human beings? Those who rush to blame Muslims who invaded London and the various ethnic groups may want to reread the eyewitness accounts. They quickly learn that crime does not have color. British police, however, is complex and manifests. In an excellent editorial published by The Telegraph, David Green writes that British police complex living a good race for decades, the complex "white police", and show total paralysis or even reluctant to use force. It's just one of many possible answers to the question: how was it possible? Like the Parisian slums revolt of 2005, rebellion street gangs in London is a phenomenon syndrome: the armies of poor and confused young people around large cities or in their heart will more quickly and easily. Perpetual consumption utopias will live for years preached as a religion. Today they learned that can not. That utopia is over, that no longer has one to give anything free. The economic crisis has increased and will be more. Seduced inaccessible continuous life around them, they will be our internal enemy, diffuse, silent and always in wait, ready to install good-like chaos and law at the slightest sign of weakness of authority in all major cities in Europe not only in London or Birmingham. And her new vandals know that politicians will always find (left or ultrapopulişti) to yell after their unjust fate, denouncing poverty and injustice, blaming budget cuts capitalism rotten or massive human rights violations to cry after the act of a criminal police, to promise, finally, a better life for votes. But these politicians will set time when the world we got used to this day, the world of mass consumerism without major crises, the world distorted by democratic sophistry that led ultimately to the egalitarian and collectivist aberrations (credit and prosperity for all) in inside of economic systems built, theoretically, the individualism and performance. In Romania there is quote: "Who seed wind will harvest storm." Have a nice, pleasant and peaceful day!

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Neria Kundrotaite

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Disappointed with how superficially people speak of these events in the UK. People need to wake up and realise that these kids are not to be blamed neither their parents for what is happening at the moment. To call them barbarians and evil?? How many of us questioned to know in what context such evil exists? Maybe these are simply "un-named" groups who are the catalyst, the fire starters so to speak.. It would be worth looking at financial wars literature and listen to those commentators. Sincere ignorance of the problem that we see now through media, politicians who are being interviewed will not suggest a solution. Not to mention it should all be seen as a bigger picture (finance sectors actions of late). Nothing is going to get better until we wake up and take the future into our hands, cancel all the fictitious debt and start again.

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Martin Gray

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I know everyone's chipping in with "what's needed to resolve this is......" There's no single solution, cos there's been a complex layering of causes over several hundred years of society, esp those (like nearly all) based on a 'Money Economy'. IMHO, one could do a lot worse than studying (and applying) much of the information from the Zeitgeist movement (http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/) and the Venus Project (http://www.thevenusproject.com) And for those who are correct in looking towards the roles of parenting (though it's not "Parent's Fault" certainly that we currently have UK riots !) ; try the book: The Continuum Concept by Jean Liedloff (www.continuum-concept.org) Martin Gray PO Box 31033, Milford North Shore Auckland NZ 0741 +64-(0)21-157-8856 (mob) SKYPE : mgraynz martin@martingray.co.nz "How your wellness benefits other people, in other lands" http://mylifeforce.net/martingray http://www.teamcrown.net/presentations/owt/ for 27 minute presentation online

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Steve Homer

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

There is no excuse for the behaviour exhibited. However the extent of the troubles indicates a fragile nation. We all need to seriously rethink the way that we do business and take a little more social responsibility.

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Guner B.

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Communism is dead long ago and capitalism is following suite. The Solution is offered in series of Books written by Vladimir Megre titled THE RINGING CEDARS OF RUSSIA. An excerpt is included here on my profile. If you can read all 9 books. Your life will never be the same again. And this is no lighthearted comment! Peace! Guner B, ~Multi Talented Artist~ "I Visualize Therefore I Create" TM

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Guner B.

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

MONEY is the cause of all Evil. It was created to ENSLAVE humanity. Hence the injustice, hence the inequality. As long as there INTEREST, there will always be inequality, injustice and suffering. But the riots are all *engineered* to help usher in the Police state. Hence the rioters faces are all covered and surprisingly they are not from the local community! I agree with comments from Charles Le Fevre, Graham Game and similar. Guner B, ~Multi Talented Artist~ "I Visualize Therefore I Create" TM

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Tommaso Potenza

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Police just stand there watching...

The following video will show you how the police are just standing there watching and not doing anything to stop this. The people of the UK need to group together with guns, baseball bats to defend their shops from these yobs, forget the police: Fabrizio Poli President & Chairman EJONE fabrizio.poli@ejone.net www.ejone.net Mobile +44 7907 669 865

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Milton Rodrigues

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Black, White & Brown ??? ... Criminal Looters & Violent.

From YAHOO Online, this Morning :- " The signs were there alright, they started when we prevented schools from disciplining pupils and therefore erroded respect that children have for any authority when they were just infants, it was perpetuated when we prevented parents from disciplining their children and reinforced the belief that children can coast through life with few consequences to their actions. It continued when we erroded the value of family and created social support networks that enable people to live comfortable lives without ever having to work, entirely supported on the state with no obligation to take any responsibility for their actions or their life. It gets worse every year as this underclass of undereducated, under diciplined irresponsible individuals continues to have more an more children born into a ghetto culture where underachievement is celebrated, criminality is glorified and parental responsiblities are ignored and abdicated to the state. Even now some people are queuing up to blame those from outside of these communities for the crimes that are being committed within them, further absolving them of responsibility and giving credence to their vacant and tired claims of victimisation. These are feral children who've been let down by their parents and overindulged by cloying liberalism that confers endless rights with no sense of responsibility. The left seems to be tripping over itself in its desire to flaggelate the law abiding citizen over this, its easy to blame the law abiding as then you don't have to deal with culprits, or admit that perhaps you've been wrong for decades on how to deal with these sort of social problems. If you balme everyone else then its easy to conclude that this is a problem that's too big to fix, instead of taking the pragmatic view of dealing swiflty and harshly with those that are guilty of committing these crimes and protecting the innocent law abiding tax payer from their vile, self destructive behaviour ". ( Yahoo OnL ). see: Full Article from Yahoo Online here. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/comment/talking-politics/no-politics-today-084521728.html *** I see the EDL, the Football thugs & the Sikhs in Southall have decided to defend their Properties and Streets themselves ? MILT.

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Tommaso Potenza

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NATO Humanitarian Intervention To Support UK Rebels!

Here is the updated news: Fabrizio Poli President & Chairman EJONE fabrizio.poli@ejone.net www.ejone.net Mobile +44 7907 669 865

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Tommaso Potenza

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People need to protect themselves to stop riots...

The police aren't reacting, they are underpaid and trained poorly. People need to get together and defend their shops from the rioters. More on what's really behind all this. A police state is on the way, George Orwell's 1984 in the making: Fabrizio Poli President & Chairman EJONE fabrizio.poli@ejone.net www.ejone.net Mobile +44 7907 669 865

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Jangi Bakshi

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Dear Thomas Any one invole in this kind madness to destroy the city and the country you live in is a total digrace and shame for those individuals and there parents" Police need to be more firm on such individuals" Love and Grace_Jangi Bakshi

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Gordon Rees

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The real tragedy of the London riots...Not the Final Chapter

After reading 99% very good input from the Planet the initial Fire was put out by putting 16000 men and women on the streets of London and this stopped mostly hooligans and cowards coordinating attacks on the core of our society. The Vigilante groups that were formed to protect us could be organised legally. Yes we are British, black, white, Asian together. We are presenting our Country to the World with the Olympics Next Year we need to sort this Social issue out and become proud Once again. Please

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Tommaso Potenza

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More insight into UK Riots

watch this interview: Fabrizio Poli President & Chairman EJONE fabrizio.poli@ejone.net www.ejone.net Mobile +44 7907 669 865

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Thomas Power

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Hear hear.

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Lucas Wyrsch

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Dear Simon, Get inspired by the data! It's all about asymmetric allocation of wealth and resources! In more recent years, several global financial institutions have been releasing their own annual calculations on worldwide wealth concentration. Among these efforts: the World Wealth Report from Capgemini and Merrill Lynch Wealth Management, the Global Wealth report from the Boston Consulting Group, and the Global Wealth Report from the Credit Suisse Research Institute in Zurich. Taking a longer range perspective: The Next Decade in Global Wealth Among Millionaire Households, an analysis from Deloitte LLP. The Credit Suisse numbers, released in October 2010, show that the richest 0.5 percent of global adults hold well over a third of the world's wealth. Could the introduction of a Tobin Transaction Tax prevent the USD and the Euro from further falling? In ECONOMIC VIEW of the New York Times, ROBERT H. FRANK wrote Income Inequality: Too Big to Ignore where he mentioned that the share of total income going to the top 1 percent of earners, which stood at 8.9 percent in 1976, rose to 23.5 percent by 2007, but during the same period, the average inflation-adjusted hourly wage declined by more than 7 percent. What happened between 1976 and 2007 was a dramatic increase of an asymmetric allocation of the top 1 percent of earners by 164 percent that generated a Great Recession! Here you get the picture of the statistical result: The rich got richer, the poor got poorer and the government totally lacked its role of regulator! What will be the consequences? Think how to solve the problem of a growing asymmetric allocation of wealth! Get inspired! Have a great and prosperous time! Best - Lucas Join The Swiss Business Club - Join the GuanXi Game Club - Join the Risk Consulting Club - And Join Doing Business Virtually!

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Martin Dewhurst

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

The real tragedy of the London riots... Is that as the rioting kicked off around the world we somehow thought we were exempt, that social unrest only applies to "other people". The upside of the London riots... Is that we will be forced as a nation of communities to look at ourselves, to look deeply at how we need to change, work together, unify to find work for all, food and shelter for all. We all have an ability to 'react' to the situations that confront us. We also have a greater gift within each of us ... how we respond. Martin

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Brian Forthyte

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

is that they demonstrate how far we have come from our traditional 'being British' We used to be a country whose people fanatically resisted the 'big brother'-state, a country whose philosophy of the 'stiff upper lip' expressed tolerance for others and uncommon behavior to a very high degree; a country who welcomed other people (- as long as they weren't French); a country whose values did not solely circle around money - other things were more important. Okay values and countries change and evolve, but we have to be careful as of the direction we are growing into, do we still like the animal (country) we have become? And I strongly believe that the current direction needs a very strong reality check and re-alignment. And maybe, for all the terror and ills of the current riots, if these serve as that wake up call, they were the right thing to have - I wish we would have woken up before people actually get hurt and even die, but these hurts and that death is not in vain if the necessary change results.

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Milton Rodrigues

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This Segment of the UK ... Massively Increasing ?

Well. tonight its also kicked-off in MANCHESTER, Wolverhampton, West Bromwich, Canning Town ... I am 100% sure, that though these Looters & Criminals are correctly labelled, its a HUGE Problem for the UK. Just been reading the Analysis from abroad. ( btw, I also say many non-Black, i.e. White & Brown faces tonite, under the Hoodies and Scarves ! ) There are simply NO JOBS or EMPLOYMENT for many in the age bracket 16 - 24 !!!. To them their Future looks very dim. To some, many... they do not even see a Future ? Not even any INTERNSHIPS as I have found out this Summer. We have x2 Bright Kids in University. - For our Brightest young Kids pouring out of the x112 UK Universities ... I recently asked Sam Borrett about prospects in AUSTRALIA for them, very sad to say. Watch this Space ... I have been working on Business Chums Limited as a Consultant, which is aimed at helping Young Entrepreneurs with Tools, Help & Support, to get their STARTUPS off the ground. Its very Low-Cost with no other serious Competitors. We will be at the next Business StartUp Show in NOV. - at least we are in the right place ! :) :) kind regards, Milton Rodrigues Surge-ITS Network Engineers, Wembley. BUSINESS CHUMS LTD.

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Robert Fay

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Did the brick and mortar stores have replacement cost insurance? Any good business person does this or at least a fire insurance policy, right? If a third of the world is in hopeless economic straights, what should be expected? People trace the riots in the Middle East to the high cost of food, which in turn was caused by growing corn for alcohol fuel instead of food. From this may come the Caliphate for Europe and the world. Sadly, Glenn Beck seems to have been right with his assertions that rioting will spread across Europe and then to America. If you think of the media as the Circus or as Vaudeville, ask yourself what sells for those two venues? There are great changes afoot. Expect all your sacred cows to go away and become useless. Then the static will be gone and you will be able to better hear the guidance coming to you on your own private internal channel ... your guidance of inner Knowing of what you are to be inspired to do. When the static is no longer there for you, your instinct or your intuition can be heard. "When you're doing what you're supposed to be doing, it rests softly inside your being with no judgment, no guilt & no imbalance. You KNOW!" Robert .'.

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Simon Dixon

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Can't the police just announce on TV now. If you are covering your face tonight you are going to prison. Full stop. Why are the kids covering their faces in Manchester right now allowed to wonder the streets? Do we have to wait for them to do something first. This is crazy. Simon Dixon CEO BankToTheFuture.com Founder of Benedix Author 'Student To CEO: 97 Ways To Influence Your Way To The Top In Banking & Finance'

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Peter Bowbrick

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

The rioters, like you and me, have been told in recent newspaper stories that successive Prime Ministers have been closely linked with criminals to rip off the British public to the tune of billions. Our political system is corrupt from the top down. The rioters, like you and me, have seen that the police have been complicit, from the top down. The rioters, like you and me, have seen that the public service is complicit. The rioters, like you and me, have friends and relations working in the public service, and know that it is institutionally corrupt. They are not as numerate as us and think that corruption in the NHS costs only tens of billions a year - we know that it has to be counted in percent of the GNP. The rioters, like us, are not on this gravy train, but know that they would be far better off if we had an honest and efficient political system and public service. Their reaction is to get a tiny part of the action for themselves. Ours is to sit and scratch our bums.

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Edgar Smallwood

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

An entirely predictable outcome of " The Rich Get Richer - The Poor Get Poorer " Virtually every Western Country has this underlying recipe for Social Upheaval. Until Politicians take positive measures to correct Financial and Social Diferences in our Societies the poor and underpriviledged will build resentment that will eventually spill over into violent, destructive action. In my view this was inevitable - predictable and a sad example / outcome of the structure of British Society where the poor and underpriviledged continue to be down trodden while the priviledged and the wealthy flaunt their " Superior " Social and Monetary Status. I would expect similar reactions - although on a less violent less destructive basis - in both Australia and New Zealand in years to come because their Political Systems, Monetary Policy, Social Welfare etc., are based on British Models. Edgar B Smallwood - Director EKIWI Group Ltd. International Consultants www.ekiwigroupltd.com gringo@ihug.co.nz ekimpexp@ihug.co.nz 64-9-576-3946 - 64-21-899-778

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Jonathan Trapman

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I am horrified and depressed at the sort of views that sound so totalitarian on this comment thread. It depresses me far more to read some of these comments than the object of their bile. One major reason for these reactions are as someone rightly pointed out, they have been deprived of being listened to. As business folk we all know what happens if we do not pay good heed to our custom base. "The young filmmaker is an idiot" - No mate he is dead on - you are the one playing idiot Greed, self interest and the culticvation of a fear based society have led to this and many other exasperated outbursts of frustration from ordinary folk around the world. The response by some of you to smash 'em, subject them to what amounts to totalitarian authoritarianism shows the sort of psychopathic growth we are witnessing in today;'s world. Not surprising since the majority of psychopaths occupy those places of power and influence and dictate the sort of world they want. Encouraging business to procure this approach sees the likes of Murdoch, Gates et all feed the system. The fear weapon is the biggest bogey man they have to play us like some demented harps. We buy it and give away our power at our demise of freedom, self growth and thinking. The UK input to martial law tactics development is nothing short of predictable. With the BBC acting in the capacity of chief organ grinder of the propaganda we are being asked to accept even more specious lies and deceptions. You buy it all at a terrible cost. The least of these is your business. But when reading some of your comments I can see I may be whistling in the wind. However I have spend a long time studying the graph of what we so visibly see incarnated today. What to do? Do not buy their line - the powers that be that is - Make an effort to find out why these disaffected youths have got to where they act. Educate yourself and others and take the red pill - Use much critical thinking to see the lies from the reality.... Jonathan Trapman

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Ulrich H. Kiefer

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

EU | London City | A special broadcast on the ZDF in Germany | A quick summary for Ecademy | Shop owners say: 'Madness', and the The Foreign Office of Germany strongly advises against travelling to England. Background: After unemployment and housing benefits as well as the support of young people's centers were cut by billions of Euro inclusive the 500,000 jobs in the public administration, London fears panic and chaos now. Shop owners describe the feeling of a thrilling minute: run for your life, their horrible experience. Furthermore, the police was missing everywhere. The forgotten tasks to control the planning of riots especially since last Thursday had severe influences. The discontinuation of violent messages via encrypted messages on mobile phones (in the Blackberry devices channel) led to theft of new laptops, robberies in SME: as a result, electronic products that are re-sold now for just 30 € at hand. The worst quoted message I saw in TV: 'If you see a brother, say Hi and if you see a policeman, just kill him.' Please forgive me that I must write here again. I just report what I saw in the public television breaking news. I am shocked. I therefore upload a photo: The light of peace. Thank you so much for the great and engaged interest and your quick reply to my updated profile on Ecademy. See you soon online. Best wishes to you from Central EU Meetropool.de. I hope you can feel more save than the last few days. I am with you in my thoughts. Yours faithfully Ulrich H. Kiefer

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Jonathan Trapman

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

http://www.tunguskamist.com/mistitnow http://www.mistnetwork.com Clear your inner path - and Build your future.... fast Jonathan Trapman

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Mac Francis

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

The Governments and Authorities are hurting businesses and individuals in many ways and those individuals who choose to rebel against Government and Authority oppression, for what ever outrageously absurd reason, decide to take out their revenge by further hurting businesses and individuals, now that doesn't make sense to me!

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Vaughan Jones

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Simon; thank you for this post. The limelight has been swung on them, I agree. Tragic, horrifying, unruly youths, and anyone else who climbs on the bandwagon; need we say more. One of the commentaries mentioned capitalism and it's benefits, however let us not be blind to the fact that capitalism cuts out anyone who cannot partake in the capitalist economy. i.e. the poor, the unemployed, the unschooled, and a number of other unfortunates. As rediculous as it seems, rioting gets the attention of the authorities, it certainly makes the point that something has to be done ASAP. Kindly realize that I do not agree with these measure, or means to an end, I simply feel that something has to be done for the down-trodden among us. The world and its peoples quiver under the strain of mankind's abuse of it (the earth and mother nature) and of fellow mankind. Vaughan Jones - One for All - All for One Founder of : The One Life-Love-Energy Foundation Author of: One Life-Love-Energy

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Doug Holman

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

... is that the root cause has been staring us in the face for decades. As anyone who has ever been employed can testify, the larger the organisation, the more viscous the change process. Companies that fail to adapt either get taken over, fade away or die. But what about government departments, the educational establishment, police forces, the media and other institutions which are - to coin a phrase - too big to fail? Have you ever wondered why each successive stage in the journey from a minor inconvenience to an intractable problem takes less time and why this always comes as a total surprise? Those that say "the only constant is change" miss the point. What matters is the inexorable rise in the pace of change. This simple truth also explains why the longer bad habits are ignored, the worse the consequences and the more difficult they are to resolve. Over four decades ago, Moore's Law quantified the accelerating pace of change by forecasting that the capability of microprocessors would double every two years, an exponential rather than a linear rise. This is why the time taken for new technologies to reach a market of 50 million has come down from 38 years for radio to four years for the internet and two for Facebook. Over fifteen decades ago, Darwin discovered that it was not the strongest or most intelligent who survived, but those who adapted and changed the most. He also found that the environment determined the direction and the pace of evolution. The faster the change in the environment, the lower the survival rate. Ultimately, only those who are consistently quick and eager to adapt survive, let alone succeed. So what turns an illiterate, innumerate underclass into mobs of "feral thugs" responsible for the looting and arson in parts of London? Why has this underclass become ever more fearful, more daring, more frustrated, more angry and more desperate? As always, the "blame game" is a total waste of time and energy. Far better to avoid repetition by establishing and eliminating the root cause - solving the underclass problem by empowering the right people and ensuring they are accountable for delivering results! If you think the country can't afford to do that, ask yourself - in the context of the accelerating pace of change - whether the country can afford not to do it? To succeed, we need enlightened leadership that can inspire and drive through change, not just in London but throughout the nation, particularly in the communities which fear change most. We can all question our assumptions, adapt our beliefs and most of all, identify and change our habits. We just need to recognise that in a rapidly changing environment, there is everything to gain and no time to lose! (Note: short articles on how Moore's Law and Darwin's theory of evolution are being applied to leadership development are available to registered users on our web site, in the library section.) Doug Holman Business Game Ltd, Grayshott, Hampshire, UK www.businessgame.co.uk Helping businesses adapt and grow using simulation games.

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VLADIMIR GUTENMAHER

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I have been in London twice, only for a few days several years ago, so that I consider that I am not qualified to make statements regarding the spark that triggered the chaos! Still, such a tragedy is not something that can be muted in front of public opinion just to stop "the message" to be aired to the World! Instead firm position taken by the Law and its guardians as well as the public opinion have to discover the reasons and the people behind them, the puppeteers as well as the victims! I am convinced that the British common sense will prevail once more and I pray for those who fight to stop the riots bringing villains to trial! Vladimir Gutenmaher Unit Manager AllianzTiriac www.allianztiriac.ro vladimir.gutenmaher@yahoo.com

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John Grasty ABR SRES Relocation Canada

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Vigilantism Vancouver style...

On streets scorched by flames, littered with broken glass and studded with the blackened hulls of torched cars an estimated 15,000 people of all ages streamed into the heart of Vancouver as early as 5 a.m. to clean up the bloody footprints, scrub the offensive graffiti, to try to make amends for the damage cause by hooligans and looters following the Stanley Cup hockey final loss the night before. In addition, the community rallied through social media to identify the culprits, dozens of whom realized they were caught and gave themselves up. Check out this article, especially the links at the bottom of the page: Vancouverites fight back against rioters through social media Best wishes from Canada to all Londoners. Take care, John Real Estate Evolved®

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Jeff Mowatt

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I guess I'm one of that 1% then Phil. Perhaps of a smaller percentage investing both time and their own money to help develop local economies and often here I've pleaded for your collective attention. There's a conversation on this today in the context of social enterprise in the Guardian and it leads to a recent Polly Tonybee article in which she refers to Lord Skidelsky's proposal for regional investment infrastructure. I recall that some time after investing several months effort in a business plan to do the same thing, I used the WritetoThem.com platform in 2007 to contact Lord Skildelsky. When I got the message "Did your Lord Reply to You" I thought it was divine intervention. Sadly not. . That most don't do anything but talk of a new capitalism, is my point too when addressing John Micklethwaite from The Economics and others, as shown above in this thread. Never underestimate the destructive power of apathy and hubris,

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raof yousif

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Violence and the theft of cars smashing shops and are criminalized The assault on public and private property is not acceptable To protect society from the violence of marginal communities, requires political solutions and security The question is: Are these marginal groups entered the country legitimately?

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Phil Shepherd

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This weeping and wailing is making me feel a bit sick

As a society, unless we are prepared to shift resources and commit to doing so for a whole generation, nothing will change - indeed violence is highly likely to increase. Yet the investment to make a massive difference to levels of violence is minuscule compared to the alternatives. The root causes of violence are known and the programs to reduce it are also known. This isn't hear-say or speculation or opinion. It's globally researched tried, tested and proven work that is simply not being implemented by our leaders with anything like the commitment required to cause the seismic shift that society is clearly crying out for. Short term reactions to serious situations within society will never ever resolve the fundamental issues that caused them. Only the grinding out of profoundly thought through well researched and proven interventions will have an effect over time. But do we ever actually do anything - even in the face of the obvious? No. What we do is to weep and wail and gnash our teeth for a while until the next thing to take over the whims and fancies of the news editors dominate the news channels. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion and at times like this it's to be expected that many who would otherwise be uninvolved feel the need to vent their feelings - but all this weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth is beginning to make me a bit sick. Wild speculations about why these riots have happened and multifarious opinions clutched from thin air have - as always - become a riot of ineffective folly in itself. No doubt the airwaves will be wall to wall speculation and ill informed opinion for weeks on end with Jedward being frequently asked their views on it all. I understand that only 1% of the population actually gets off their collective backsides and takes any form of actual real action when it comes to altruistic volunteering (I don't count writing letters or signing petitions as actions really - do you?). So, if you were to be asked what you could do to take some action and be a cause in creating a calmer and more sane society - other than trying to persuade others to do it for you by writing letters - what ideas can you come up with? Phil Shepherd GOOISOFT Great minds think differently

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Jim Zaccaria

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Firstly, let me say I will Not Pretend to 'know', or Fully Understand the situation in London, because I am FAR away, out here in Arizona USA, however, I Do have some general comments to make AND I believe we 'may well' see similar outbreaks erupt Here. There are a LOT of 'Moving Parts' to these World-Wide' outbreaks AND it behooves one to Research and Investigate WHO is Truly Behind such actions, for the Masses are easily and readily Persuaded, Manipulated & Controlled. Free people must Be Cautious about How Much 'Police Action' they Call for, for they 'May' get more than 'Bargained' for. That said, those who Break the Law 'Must' be dealt with Harshly so that it is Understood there ARE Consequences for unruly actions. There Is Peace Only in Divine LOVE & GOD. It is Society's straying from Basic Principles that is responsible for outbreaks like this World-wide. Let us All - Teach Our Children Well - From the Beginning AND Individually, Take Personal Responsibility for our Selves AND our Communities.

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Ian Moncrieff MacMillan

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Art Is The Cure's latest work apt comment on today's times...

His latest piece here >>> Regards, Ian Moncrieff MacMillan M: +44-7973-119-542

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Diana McMahon-Collis

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I think the riots are not surprising given the cuts in public services, which give out a negative signal that society is not so much protected. Have heard today that riots are expected in Guildford tonight. Neighbours who work there have been told to take their laptops home..... Diana McMahon-Collis www.mindbliss.co.uk

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Tim Woodfield

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Lets get a couple of things straight, the 'hug a hoodie' was a pathetic attempt by the government to show they understand, do they really? do any of the politicians live in the areas that are decimated? what will they do for the people that have lost their livelihood? Give the British people the right to defend their homes their property and stop bowing down to the do gooders who say dont hit or hurt them its not their fault! we have and are still fighting wars against oppression and these type of scum! we cannot stand by and let these people win.......

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Annemieken Van Reepingen

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Hi, Violence is often the voice of those that have the impression that they are not heard, those that don't have the right ways to communicate. Violence also has a tendency to spread out like an oil spot. Indeed, it is tragic that others that try to find their own ways without violence are often the victims of this violence. Maybe we should try to give a voice to all these people some way or another. My mission with my business is to create an authentic community, as big and as wide as it can get. Because I truly believe that if people can live authentically, in touch with their own visions, heart and souls, they don't need violence to express themselves. I try to stay in touch with this vision and mission, and live and work accordingly, there is nothing else I can do and that is the only thing that makes sense to me. It is all about authentic leadership, in my own life, in my business and towards others. Annemieken Equine Assisted Coach KIVIK

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Verlin Meade

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The Uk and the world need's to return back to God and pray and turn from their sinful ways. Then and only then there will peace in our nations and the world.Thank you. Min.Verlin Meade www.vmeade.com

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raof yousif

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Marginalization of some communities and the denial of social justice among all groups in society lead to congestion, these marginalized communities need some attention from the State.

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Maria Magdalena Ostafe

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God bless you and all of us!I have friends and relatives scared by the riots....but everything happens is us,,,,we have to teach a lesson...depends of us to understand which one!

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Graham Game

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Adjusting to change is all well & good if you can afford to. Many can't. Visit the tower blocks of St Pauls or Hackney, young people today have no hope & no future - we have created that society for them. Add to this corrupt politicians, bankers & police & it's easy to see why young people have no time or respect for 'authority'. I don't even think that I do any more . . . We have ALL been massively failed by incompetent politicians of ALL parties for decades, & now all of our familiar systems are collapsing - of course they are, they always were corrupt & unsustainable. None of this justifies the violence & looting of course, but a society has been created which makes it inevitable. Cause & effect, pure & simple.

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Thomas Power

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Watch this:

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Lisa Pattenden

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

If I could ask that all who are reading and posting comments, please send love and compassionate thoughts to London and all the rioting that is going on.....loving and compassionate energy can grow just as anger grows...feed the positive and let's move this in the opposite direction. Thank you for your time. :)

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donnacht free

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nothing at all to do with a boy who's been shot. It's the failing of a society with a large section of it disenfranchised by poor education and no government commitment to full employment. People are allowed to leave society and with no social norms and values that can be instilled through our instinutions. No excuses for this banal mentality as we haven't had an effective justice system for decades. Declare martial law and reset the boundaries of what is acceptable behaviour

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Tommaso Potenza

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David Cameron asked to step down or else...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/cameron-to-step-down-recognize-rioters-as-legitimate-government-satire.html Fabrizio Poli President & Chairman EJONE fabrizio.poli@ejone.net www.ejone.net Mobile +44 7907 669 865

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Tommaso Potenza

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More great info about riots from here: http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-rioting-underclass-product-of-a-diseased-culture.html Fabrizio Poli President & Chairman EJONE fabrizio.poli@ejone.net www.ejone.net Mobile +44 7907 669 865

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Bob Hayward

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Many great comments and thoughts I was born in Tottenham and lived there as they built Broadwater Farm. In my childhood there was not even a lock on our front door - not that there was anything to steal - we didn't have a TV until 1966 (yep we got a second hand one for the World Cup). I've lived and worked in Peckham - Lewisham and Woolwich so it breaks my heart to see this stuff happening. The origin is partly due to poor handling of the Family following the shooting which led to the peaceful protest by many women associated with the family. IF that had been handled swiftly and with good sense by the Police may well have been the end of the matter. Now yobbers have taken this over for their own end. You can talk about corruption at the top of our society, with Police, Press, Politicians and Bankers thinking they can do what they wants; and with Bentley and Rolls Royce cars continuing to sell in ever higher numbers the top of of society have made a profit in recent times and increased the gap... You can talk about those who consider themselves at the bottom of our society and alienated by lack of prospect and lack of hope... We can harken back to times of Morals, Family standard and Ethics drilled into children who had both respect and some fear of authority until we went all soft with liberal views... We can ask for the Police and the Army to step in - but that didn't do much in Northern Ireland In my mind it is time, for Middle Man and Women, to say - stop - not on my street - not in my shop - not in my name - no. To both those at the Top and at the Bottom of Society For too long only extreme views have held sway - Only the Parent, Friends and Associates that do know these people can stop this. Those who live next door and down the street have a part to play too. You stop bullies by Confronting Reporting and Informing All of us have to chip in - the critical mass need to step up and take society back from the corrupt at the top and the yobs who think they are at the bottom Sincere regards ~ Bob (Employee Engagement) Hayward OPC (UK) Ltd.

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Annabel Kaye

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Whilst I do believe that every individual is responsible for their own actions, the solutions are not simple. There is research on the demographics of crime and cities that makes sobering reading. Check it out http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/pure-genius/how-will-our-cities-grow/6814 Whilst an individual act of crime is a personal responsibility there are structurla and societal issues to do with living in such large cities that we need to take on board and address. If there was a simple one thing we could do, perhaps we might already have done it, but it is sobering to read this data on city growth and work out how much of this is inbuilt. Tel: 08452 303050 e-mail: info@irenicon.co.uk twitter: annabelkaye www.irenicon.co.uk Employment law with attitude www.koffeeklatch.co.uk www.balancingthebump.com

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daniel pacheco

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The real tragedy of the London Riot or the North African riots or the riots in China are that they are here to stay and will grow with the aid of digital communication technology like mobile phones. Society has changed and there is no way we can go back to the good old days where a small incident could blow out of proportion with massive public overreaction as we see today. I think this will happen in India and in every other country in the world that is connected with digital technology. WELCOME TO THE NEW REALITY OF RIOTS AND MORE RIOTS EVERYWHERE AND FOR EVERY SMALL INSIGNIFICANT INCIDENT.

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Nicholas Collis

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In the same way that Ayshe Kadir described it - I believe the answer lies with "National Service" (which sadly was abolished in 1960)! The main point about "National Service" was that it was compulsory for everyone after leaving school to experience "military service" in the UK for about 3 years (I think) which through strict procedures taught every individual (from whatever background), self-discipline, smartness, cleanliness and respect for others & their elders. Although today's military service is certainly very different to the last century - the principle of engaging all young individuals into a properly structured "community service" for a period of 2 or 3 years - has to be the way forward. Simply put, we have all become far too lazy & soft about guiding or teaching the younger generation the differences between wrong and right! Nicholas Collis Global Wine Ambassador, Vitoria Koi Ltd, Tua Valley Douro, Portugal

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adalbert kallo

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

extreme problems needs extreme solutions..in order to keep a healthy society,the law should change..human rights are applied mostly to criminals.thugs,thiefs and burglars..they should be applied to normal citizens to..

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Tommaso Potenza

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Have a read of this article about the rioting: http://www.prisonplanet.com/uk​-riots-government-prepares-tro​ops-martial-law.html Fabrizio Poli President & Chairman EJONE fabrizio.poli@ejone.net www.ejone.net Mobile +44 7907 669 865

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Solveigh Calderin

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I could not read ALL comments here, there are too much... So I would like to ask to excuse, if I'm repeating anyone, who wrote the same before me... In my book it's not right to complain about the errupted violence without asking for the reasons. I don't think the the young (or even older) people are too less educated to not find another way to tell the world about their problems. I think, they were not heard before. And for this reason they took the ultima ratio - violence against the violence of the state, who doesn't allow the people to get a good education, the violence of the state against the young people, who have no hope for a self determined life, the violence of the state against the sorrows of people, who have no chance in this society, where only counts the money and in which more and more money for social welfare, healthcare and so on are taken away - paid by the poeple, who are now so furious, that it explodes..., the violence of the state against the retirees, who paid their lifetime into the insurance and who now have to face more and more cuts of their pensions... and so on... It's always the same: The water drops and drops, nothing happens, but finally, one drop is enough to get the water overrun the ton... That is NOT a British phenomenom. It is a worldwide one. And I guess, we will witness more and more such riots happen. North Africa, Portugal, Spain, Greece - all thought, Ireland was the next... but a coincidence brought it now to London and UK... Maybe Germany is the next country with riots? In Berlin cars are already burning oftener and oftener... Not only the young people are angry... They are not heard, they are lost, without any hope for a better future... What can they do? What opportunity do they have to finally be heard? Solveigh Calderin, Club Leader of Ecademy Berlin Hereke Carpets - Tradition, Beauty, Luxury and Elegance Google + me Find my personal profile and business page on Facebook Follow @hesika

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hatem lahdhili

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I think that learning is the corner stone of preserving humankind from such violence. learning than working to feel as a good and active member in the society otherwise the human nature will push to destroy the same society that not recognise and neglect us. hatem lahdhili

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Christopher BABAYODE

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

The real tragedy of the London riots, is ours to share, especially if they are allowed to get away with it. If the people whose livelihoods have been affected are not protected and not catered for that will be the greatest tragedy I notice reports that looters ran into a Sony warehouse and stole Sony Wii's and Electronics. No reports of running into the public library and stealing books or other educational material. Is this a result of consumerism we have stoked to the max or did they just forget how to get to the library? I remember the adage "show me a boy of seven and I'll show you the man of tomorrow". This is one of the results of our society in all its ugliness. These are changing times and we have to decide if we will take this lying down, I think not but we all have the duty. If we wait for governments who curry favour it will be too late. It took time to get us here and it will take time to get us to a better place. In the meantime call in the Army! We need to send a clear message, like any good parent knows kids (because that's what they are) need discipline. Christopher BabayodeNucentricals Ltdnojetstress.comT:001 77JET 70LAGO:01424 849 079

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Binh Zientek

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Pauline O' Donovan

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Shut down Twitter, bring in the army, water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas. Find out the ringleaders. Jail them for 20 years with NO PAROLE. Stop pussyfooting with uneducated thugs on benefits. Stop giving money to parasites who won't wotk. Bring in boot camps for young people with schooling included.

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Ray Tapajna

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

The main problem of our times is the use of Centralization instead of Decentralization. In his economic encyclical Pope Benedict suggested the practice of subsidiarity. It means making all decisions at the lowest possible level. It means to organize principles to be handled by the lowest possible level. Today in a global economic arena, we have elite groupings trying to control the flow of wealth and organization outside the will of the people. These powers that are in place to protect the common man are being used for selfish motives by elite powers. The common man must find ways to practice subsidiarity and solidarity as moving forces in our societies as a whole. The "Flat World" of globalist free traders is running on flat tires and they do not know how to fix it. Our economies based on making money on money instead of making things are burning out as we find paper money being just that - just paper. Explore lost worlds in the Globalist Free Trade world at http://tapsearch.com/tapartnews http://tapsearch.com/flatworld http://tapsearch.com/backfire and Art that Talks Gallery at http://arklineart.fotopages.com and http://tapsearch.com/id12.html

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Chris Davison

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

The real tragedy is the high level of unemployment among the poorly educated young. They expect ever increasing levels of state subsidy and violently resent any threat to reduce it even when the country cannot afford it. The looting that is occurring shows that it is social resentment.

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Elinor Palm

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Thank you for sharing this information, interesting comments and thank you Thomas Power for inviting me to this blog. Kids and youths needs people listening to them, I believe. The question is - is it to late? My thoughts are with all affected.

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A B

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Share only the truth that gives life and takes away fear.

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imran imran

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

The violence that is going on in parts of England is obviously condemnable. People are looting and destroying property of those innocent civilians who are no way responsible for the killing of the young guy at all. This is very regrettable. The government should take appropriate action against them, but at the same time investigate the killing of the guy thoroughly and in a very fair way. Imran Abbasi http://imranabbasi.freehostia.com

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Don Brake

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

You know, I really don't know the details of the tragedy, but it is shocking and sad to see the violence on the t.v. On a different note however, I think that there's more to come if the elites keep trying to shove austerity down everyone's throat! Who the hell are they that they can't shoulder some of the burden?!

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Gordon Wheaton

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It is terrible Simon. It started with a shooting in Tottenham and now just seems to be about destruction. I think they need to call in the army Regards Gordon

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George Ashley-Cound

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The devil makes work for Idle hands. This is the legacy of the past government that has educated a group youths to expect something for nothing from the nanny state. It only takes a few people to start a riot when there is nothing better to do. It is social unrest due to great expectations smashed by the reality of the poverty of their situation. The punishment of the criminal is taken and paid for by the victim. So why not riot ? Nanny will make it better. Boris Johnson seems to be the only one who knows what's going on. I have faith that good will prevail, as evil happens when good people do nothing. Lets hope that the new social society takes hold and strong government will lead us through the mistakes of the past. Nobody wants to cut-back on costs and benefits, but we must all learn to manage our finances or suffer the consequences either way. George Ashley-Cound

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Nick Tile

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I rather suspect that if we get a couple of cold wet days, it'll all fizzle out - more worryingly, those that should care about this sort of thing might not realise that is a symptom of a deeper malaise ...

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John Brandow

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John Brandow , Centurion , South Africa. Trying to read between the lines of the comments and the news one wonders how this monster is fueled. That it might have started with the shooting it definitely starts to look like there is something else loose now. If the British police do not nip this in the but it might just become the news of the year !

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David Robertson

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Well done Stephen Hill bring politics in and blame the coalition. Clearly you endorse the action. Well done up the socialist revolution

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David Robertson

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I am sadden when people justify this hooliganism through social injustice. We have spent the last 15 years throwing money at the disenfranchise groups with little success. We need a tough love solution and stop all this we must be nice because they haven't the same advantages as others methodology.

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Caroline Guy

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I lived and worked in London for many years and regard it as home. I feel so sad but also so angry that this can happen. I think there is a huge place for really looking at the type of society we live in and how children of this age can go out and do this with seemingly no parental control. However there are 2 themes here for me, firstly it is one of taking responsibility for your own action and behaviour, that is partly education but also it is down largely to a culture that has developed in which someone else is always to blame and that if you bleat enough about your level of social deprivation you can absolve yourself of all responsibility for anything you do. That attitude has to be addressed, whilst you can see how a pattern of behaviour can evolve, that is an academic exercise and in no way excuses what has happened. Right and wrong is simply just that and it is up to society to decide the rules of how we can live peacefully and in harmony with each other. For me secondly there is another more obvious fact, some of these people just don't care what they do or how it affects others, I can remember when joy-riding was a huge problem and one night a news crew filmed this going on, the reporter asked a young female spectator did she not feel sorry for the people who's cars were being stolen and trashed, the answer ' why should I care, I don't have a car'. Ignorant, stupid? yes certainly and with no thought or compassion for others. The truth is, there have always been people like this and there has always been crime, theft, murder. Some people will always be on the margins of society and will not to live as the majority do. The difference now is the explosion in communication which means that this kind of thing is easier to whip up and escalate. I think as human beings we have to accept that we have a dark side that will be fuelled by something and in this case it appears very materialistic, it was cash and 'things' that were looted and stolen in this frenzy and that has always been about. Think of London in the blitz, destroyed homes were often looted, even the bodies of the dead and dying. 9/11 there was looting in the shops around the base of the towers before they collapsed, there are loads of examples this is nothing new. But society as a whole needs to be far more proactive, we have become people who 'don't get involved' we have become frightened to say anything or to object in case 'heaven forbid' we are accused of being politically incorrect. The time has come for all of us to throw out the message that this behaviour is not 'clever' or 'cool', we need to look seriously at everything we do and the messages it sends out from tv programmes to advertising. Who was it that once said, 'evil flourishes when good men do nothing' ? We can only change things if we work as communities, with each other, if we foster mutual respect and care and if we are prepared to stand up for what we believe is right and wrong. I agree with another comment about communities getting together to protect themselves, last night that happened in places and whole streets went out together and frightened the mob away. As sad as the last 3 nights have been, I also see a glimmer of light because all communities have been affected across the board and people have started to support each other, there is even a link on Twitter so you can go out to help the clean up. This is a fantastic opportunity to engage with each other as people no matter what race, creed or colour and just work together. I hope London and all the other cities stay safe tonight

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Terence Harding

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I think the causes of what is going on here is actually rather complex, simply because there are so many different people involved with different motivations. As humans, what we would like to do is stick all the rioters in the same box, condemn them and deliberate their common motive. We do this, because it's the easiest way to think, but actually it's quite dangerous, because a certain contingent of the rioters will actually have something important to say about their circumstances. These perpetrators are to blame for their own behaviour, but I always find power in accountability, ie I might not be to blame for everything that happens, but what could I do differently to create a different outcome? What can entrepreneurs and business owners do, to help break the cultural cycle in deprived areas? I'm totally digusted at what's gone on, but I refuse to become blind to the fact that some people need bringing out of their negative culture, because they don't know any better. You can only have equal opportunities, if everybody knows what they are. The question is, how can succesful people help those who are making decisions based on no idea that they can achieve. How many things do people teach each other on ecademy every day, that aren't taught in schools for instance? I think what's mostly gone on is down to opportunism and outnumbering the police, but we mustn't ignore the lack of cultural identity and lack of meaning and belief that has been born out of multiple generations of social disparity. Think,"How can I help?" Terence

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Thomas Power

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Posted with permission. On 9 August 2011 11:08, Stephen HILL wrote: Probably the start of a long term campaign of "popular" rebelion, similar to the poll tax riots, against the controversial coalition government measures to overcome the recession and financial malaise we are currently enduring.

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Tommaso Potenza

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Are these riots False Flag? Go to the link and read, compare with what is happening in London and start thinking... http://www.conspiracyreality.org/2011/03/hitlers-false-flag-attacks.html Fabrizio Poli President & Chairman EJONE fabrizio.poli@ejone.net www.ejone.net Mobile +44 7907 669 865

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George McClelland

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All riots are tragic for the ones involved, for the police and for the shops. These people suffer because of the foolish mistakes politicians make. That is true ti all countries. I fully expect riots to consume America as we roll down the slippery slope of anarcy do to the foolish spending habits of our government. We can bring our house back into order by bringing ALL our troops home and let them defend our borders which is their real job. It would put a lot of military out of jobs and that's tragic. The second thing our government needs to do is quit sending borrowed money to other countried. Let them borrow their own money. The third thing our government needs to do is begin pringing our own money and defaulting on the money "owed" to the Federal Reserve and close that bank down. We should also quit importing oil and use the technology we have to exploit our own closed oil wells which could provide enough oil for our future needs when combined with making oil out of aglea - another technology already in our hands. George J. McClelland

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Julia Huntsman

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There is no excuse for destruction--they want to blame "unemployment" which government also uses as the reason by founding social agencies to help "unemployment", but at the moment they seem to have found full employment in rioting, and there's no lack of funds to possess the technology for mobile phones to assist in rioting. This is the result of more than one generation of people with not enough to do, and no desire to find it. Did they look for jobs this fast using Twitter and text messaging? Syria and Libya could be an option if London isn't helping them. I really don't have much sympathy. Julia Huntsman, Broker, e-PRO RealtorLong Beach, CA, USA 562-896-2609 www.juliahuntsman.com www.longbeachrealestate.blogspot.

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Bob Smith

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Simon: This is a nice contrast about the efforts of people (who message their values) in business vs people who intentionally create harm to others as their preferred way of imposing their values. I think harm to others is the lazy way to message. It avoids the need to think beyond one's own self interests and eliminates the pesky time wasting energy that occurs when you take time to consider your impact versus your intention. I appreciate you taking the time to highlight this and one answer that occurs to me is as follows: Save our thinking, we as humans are flawed by our own lack of evolution. To make our decisions from our feelings versus making decision from our "choices" will generally produce a poor result. We also seem to be a species that really only evolves from mistakes, stupidity, pain and fear. We are not nearly as good at prevention compared to responding to damage. I struggle with this all the time in my business and in my life. If everyone simply did what I think they should do, the world would work fine. (II believe everyone thinks this way generally) But, the world doesn't work that way. So until the noise gets loud enough or the pain hurts enough we are slow to move. My great gain from your post is to update my thinking about the whole notion of my own values, my consideration of others, my own vision, my own passion and what I believe is a worthwhile way to live my life. As more and more people do this, change occurs. Bob Have Fun, make a Difference, make Money, enjoy the People you spend your time with.

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Denis Cancellara

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Thomas, the real tragedy is that we have elected governments that are afraid. So when bullys come around they easily take a town, city or country hostage. London is not Libya or a dictatorship where people are 'supposedly' fighting for their freedom. London, indeed England has a history of democratic freedoms allowed to its 'law abiding' citizens. Lawlessness cannot be tolerated. It threatens those who are trying to do better for their families and communities through hard work and know how. Lawlessness affects the innocent. That's where the cameras ought to go. That's where the interviews should be conducted. That's where our focus should be. Do we tolerate violence against women? Do we tolerate violence against children? This is violent behavior. What about the effects we cannot see like people afraid to go out who need to to get necessities for their existence? Violence can never be justified! A better heading is 'The Assault on London'. The 'gang' responsible for this should not even receive a hearing!

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Tommaso Potenza

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

RFID chips, the future: The truth behind RFID and while it will happen: More on RFID chips: Fabrizio Poli President & Chairman EJONE fabrizio.poli@ejone.net www.ejone.net Mobile +44 7907 669 865

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Annabel Kaye

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Riots are not new - whatever this is, this is not a modern disease caused by some kind of societal pollution by commerce or industry The first riot I can find reference to was in 4BC and I am sure someone can find earlier ones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots It appears that intermittent rioting has a very long history, so it may not be that modern values, modern parenting are completely to blame since 4BC parents are not modern to us, yet they appeared to have suffered similar problems. I am not trying to be flip a a knee jerk blame or diagnosis is not likely to succeed in identifying a problem and suggesting a cure. It is dreaful for so many people to be in real fear for their lives and their property, and this must cease, but modernity itself is not the obvious cause of rioting or it would only just have been invented. Some of the societies in this list had very strict parenting styles as well. I don't know the answer but think evaluating the data might stop us going down some blind alleys that have been tried before. Tel: 08452 303050 e-mail: info@irenicon.co.uk twitter: annabelkaye www.irenicon.co.uk Employment law with attitude www.koffeeklatch.co.uk www.balancingthebump.com

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Ulrich H. Kiefer

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The real tragedy of the London riots...| EU-Right-Wing-Extremism

The article ‚Prevention of Right-Wing Extremism, Xenophobia and Racism in European Perspective' by Peter Rieker, Michaela Glaser & Silke Schuster (eds.) quote the following UK cities starting in 1981: Brixton (page 83), Bradford, Oldham, Burnley, and Birmingham 2005 (p. 80) and the Southleigh of London (p. 92), as those cities of racial violence in the Great Britain. As a result, Germany has contributed worldwide to the worst image ever due to its' history ever by the horrible Nazi regime. But did we Germans learn something from our EU history? It seems not much, because later, and some people seem to live always yesterday, there are still extreme violent extremists on the roads in Central Europe. 776 violent acts of criminality in Germany, not forgetting the massacre of Munich in 1972 at the Olympic Games, you will read crime in Hoyerswerda 1991, Rostock 1992, Solingen 1993 or in Düsseldorf in 2000. Better future to come? Unfortunately the list does not end here: Austria, France, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, and Spain (update 2005 on 127 pages in total). So, asking 'where will be the next sad racial riots or events?' Whom should blame the governments for no or not enough action? Sad that we seem to step backwards and not positively forward I wish all the families and victims of violence all the best. Thank you so much for the great and engaged interest and your quick reply to my updated profile on Ecademy. See you soon online. Best wishes to you from Central EU Meetropool.de Yours faithfully Ulrich H. Kiefer

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Tommaso Potenza

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Young people are not fed-up, they haven't been fed the right education! Schools are failing to educate kids, that's why my wife and I are Homeschooling our kids. Kids need to learn to use their creativity, talents and learn to think and ASK lots of questions. This way they will truly live up to their true potential and NOT be MANIPULATED. All these riots are being MANIPULATED. Think about it... Want to make a lot of money and a safe investment now? Invest in companies that make RFID chips because as a result of these riots and the 2012 Olympics an RFID company is about to land a MASSIVE contract from UK government. I personally prefer gold & silver, as i have a conscious. All this is happening to make "certain people" richer and I don't play that game. So think, think, think and encourage others to do the same. Get your kids thinking about how to REALLY make the world a better place. RFID chips is people's arms are just going to make George Orwell's 1984 more of a reality...Not the world a better place... Fabrizio Poli President & Chairman EJONE fabrizio.poli@ejone.net www.ejone.net Mobile +44 7907 669 865

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Jacek Marczyk

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

If the UK is a police state, as someone asserts, then why so many police officers are wounded in these and similar riots? I have lived in a police state (behind the Iron Curtain in the 1970s) and I can assure you that if you didn't burn cars or smashed telephone cabins the police didn't hurt you. However, they had REAL authority and we trembled at the idea of being stopped by a police officer. Today you can assault a police officer, causing him wounds and the take the poor guy to court because he has defended himself.

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mohamed salem

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I believe what we are seeing in london should be seen from the bigger picture young people around the global are fedup with the corupted political system and they are looking for change this start in Arab countries,then Greec, Isreal and I believe the riot will spread to include other cities and countries specially in U.S.A , the collapse of finantial bubble, Media scandle and many others corruption cases which make the young generation stop believing in existing democracy & Capitalis system . I condemned all type of riot and not justifying what happen but I try to range the alarm that unless wise people set and rectify the economic and political system the future will be more darker and could destroy the whole civilization.

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Patricia Tolivar

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

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Bharat R A

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Most in-human act that has no definition. My heart pounds for those who have lost in any form. Prayers and good wishes from 1.2 Billion Indians with everyone in the UK and hope this unrest gets resolved soon. Bharat Amla Moderator - India Business Ecademy

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Ross McArthur

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

The core of most comments has been . . a social commentary. Specifically we are witnessing the total absence of any innate social structure or sensibility. As has been mooted by more than one this stems primarily - if not totally - from a lack of personal responsibility, sense of community, self-discipline and culpability that used to be inculcated from the cradle. This social disease, endemic in humanity to a lesser or greater extent dependent upon economics, has been gradually and inexorably growing to criminal levels for the past five decades. The real breakdown of society began with the gradual erosion of the nuclear family. A process that rapidly accelerated when another boundary was removed. Now, I do not denigrate any emancipation. Nor do I condone patriarchal opression. I will, however, temper this polemic with the truism: out of the heart proceeds all deceitful lusts. Have you ever noticed kids will inevitably look for the bad stuff to do 10 times faster than the good? That's a direct result of our inherent nature. It is only through raising a child 'in the way that he should go, and he will not depart from that path'. And who is the only the line of a defence in that battle to raise a child? Mum and Dad. Fast foward a bit. Look at 1961 for a second. Up until now we, in the Western societies at least, looked to a strong moral code to govern our personal and professional lives. It was prevalent, more or less, in every urban and rural community. Tell me if these ring a bell: you will not dishonour your Mother or Father, you will not steal, or murder, or desire your neighbour's stuff, or lie. Yes, that's right. Exodus Ch 20. Why do I bring up Biblical doctrine? Some of you actually snorted in derision as you read it. Those who are quick to ridicule, let me ask you. Why? Look at common law and, by extension, commercial law. These basic precepts are written into the very laws upon which secular society depends to maintain peace and security. Yet, in 1961, Bible-teaching was officially removed from schools and other public places. Look at any graph showing an increase in anti-social or violent behaviour after that and you will see not a linear rise, but an exponential rise. Removed by government order under the premise 'separating Church and State'. Did anyone spot the upper case for 'Church'? Fast foward a little more. Women had been enjoying economic freedoms since WW2, and didn't want to return to the drudge of the home. On the one hand there's the man's dominance in the home threatened, on the other there's the lower- and middle-class woman's real belief she could have a 'better' life. And her own cheque book. One side - wants to maintain control The other side - doesn't want to return to it. Both serving the wrong reasons. Both ignoring that family harmony isn't in control but submission. From both sides. In a comparative example there was a study performed in Britain, late 19th or early 20th century, in a town with a huge crime problem. When they introduced Sunday school, with approximately a 95% attendance, the crime rates dropped to single figures within the year. Okay. One quote goes, "When government expands liberty contracts." A US president in the 19th century. When violence and crime increases or suddenly explodes what happens? Do our 'glorious leaders' address the family issues of aggressive and intrusive govt., ecnomic pressures, no cohesion, bad schooling, lazy or ill-equipped parents? What have we seen? Massive and extemely violent suppression. Of course, when a body's lying in the street it's far too late anyway. A person is usually a smart, careful individual. People, as in a mob, are dumb, panicky animals, or reduced to mere stimulus-response, a.k.a. mob mentality. And this is exactly what a government wants, the opportunity to impose control, restrictions, round up trouble-makers and enact statutes for greater control. Indirectly we in private business suffer the consequences. Let's recap. Moral law governs our actions. Moral law is based upon inviolable precepts, taught from infancy. Moral law is effectively eliminated, essentially outlawed. Economics increases freedom then, imperceptibility, slavery to economics. Children wind up under impersonal, poorly-equipped, public supervision, or are left to fend for themselves. Rebellion isn't corrected. Young social groups become the influence - rebellion supports rebellion. Behaviour becomes deep-rooted, forms habits, develops character. Rebellion evolves into self-imposed conviction of one's rights to rebel. Violence ensues, govt. steps in. Statutes, acts and by-laws, the govt.'s 'right' to impose remedies up to and including its self-imposed duty to stomp on unrest. These remedies also extend to greater intrusion into commercial freedoms, even to greater penalties for breaches in commercial practice. The UK has become essentially a police state. This is the tip. What we see on our screens is the boiling cone. The underlying lava has been flowing for a lot longer. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4020719354420953428&hl=en&emb=1# http://www.natural-person.ca/ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4024663011008894776# http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zNnGibVszI Ross McArthur Libertarian Know the truth and it will set you free. Knowledge is knowing a tomato's a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put in the fruit salad.

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Andrew Butler

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

we are seeing people trained on games which teach them violence and distraction is a winning way, Is there any wonder they learn to go shopping with fire extinguishers and basball bats. I live in a perceived nice area of a city, gun crime, knee capping, drug dealing, gang culture and young people stabbing each other is commonplace. Yet they will argue that corporations and those in power do more damage and they do have a point. Such excuses are commonplace, but why is the BBC local news trying to make out that Chapletown in Leeds will be next place for violence to break out ? Isolated incidents which are unrelated could become hot spots for flying looters.

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Alejandro Sanz

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

In my opinion this what is happening in London, Spain, Israel, Arab countries, etc shows that the people of this world need a change, need a more advance civilization, a better education system, a better way of doing things, a real democracy, a new and better economic and banking system, etc . For instance Plato said that Democracy was the second worst system of government (the first worst system for him was dictatorship). I believe that social and personal awareness and behavior have not changed too much since Plato and that human race has now the challenge to change and move soon to a positive trend and find a more appropriate way of working together in order to change this civilization into a better one and this change is a must otherwise things will not go well. A well known economist has recently said "the best which could happen to economy is a collapse so that afterwards we start a new way of doing things on a better and correct way"; I would very much like that this collapse does not happen and people in different countries find soon the solution of overcoming happily this situation. Alejandro Sanz Annblau Business Relations Madrid, Spain

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Tim (Health Insurance) Chappell

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

As a person who has experience with working with youths from deprived areas and as a person who has policed difficult situations involving public issues - my feeling is that this is definetely a parenting issue. We also have many different cultures living on top of eachother with - I believe the gang territory mentality that loose immigration and access to the worldwide media has brought with it. Irrespective of your cultural and financial upbringing - time and time again it is proved that we act and react according to our upbringing and life experiences. I realise that this is only a small minority so it also surprises me that the majority have not formed their own community security teams. Spontaneous action is needed . Tim Chappell Key Account Manager and Appointed Representative to WPA. Franchised Business Owner07739 643 569

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Kirstin Elaine Myers

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

When I read the news from over here in the US, it seems surreal because Londoners are known for their civility and Bobbies traditionally did not even carry guns. We are saddened and horrified by the photos and articles we are seeing in the media. If it could happen there, it can happen anywhere and our hearts and prayers go out to all of our British sisters and brothers. God Bless you and let us know if there is anything we can do to help.

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Marlene Ward

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

As long as Britain opens it's doors to all and sundry, you will have this on-going eruption of different ideas, needs, cultures and consequently mayhem. Teacher are too scared , because of the law and the pupils, to give any kind of discipline. Bit too late now, because their parents were raised under the same conditions. Countries in Europe would have had water cannons, tear gas etc. The British police do not stand a chance.

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David Robertson

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I am both saddened and angry at the same time. The media must take some of the responsibilty for literally spreading the flames across the UK. The idea that some politicians have endeavour to blame their opponents, the cuts, the withdrawal of benefits etcetera is just sick. We are also speculating who is responsible, must be the police, must be the cut in welfare benefit but never the individuals who create this mindless destruction. There are no immediate social causes just the opportunity to destroy communities and steal their favourite branded merchandise supporting the I must have, I will have mentality. The real blame should be placed fairly and squarely on their parental upbringing. They should have been taught to earn respect and their rewards and give back to society and not demand to take whatever they want without remorse.

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David Dwyer

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Simon Keep believing in the good that is within people, structurally our society and economies are unbalanced, at the same time we seem to promote unrealistic expectations through the media. Just keep doing the little ordinary things and you will find human sprirt will overcome the tragedy of what is before you in the UK and I must say I have concerns that to will spread to Australia. In Queensland earlier this year we had floods, people helped their neighbours and people they did not even know! TV showed shops being cleaned up by strangers, people just mucked in and cleaned up. The thing to do is to use the social networks to mobilse an army of people to go and clean up the mess once the riots settle down, show the shopkeepers and so on that they have support! More importantly show the rioters that the vast majority do not advocate their methods, that ordinary people will put things right. It seems that an element of the cause behind the riots is economic, that individuals have lost hope that they have a future. Fundementally there will need to be change in the way we go about our lives, Governments world wide do not have the resources to provide for people. we have to look after ourselves. It all starts with one person doing one thing, that might be your blog and Thomas sharing it worldwide. David Dwyer Esperance Western Australia

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Michael Heaney

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My, how quickly we change our tune and let our masks slip...

When the People took to the streets in Tunisia - We cheered When the People rose up in street protests Algeria We cheered When the People forced the President of Egypt to stand down we celebrated When the People marched against their ruling elite in Iran we applauded their direct action When the People protested against their government in Libya - we spent millions to support them and helped destabilize their government, flying bombing runs against the government troops and equipment. When the People in Syria marched and protested against their repressive government we call for the government to step down and were outraged by the exercise of state repression For months we have basked in the warm glow of the Arab Spring - poor oppressed peoples finally out in the streets marching against their governments; We knew instinctively that all their governments were corrupt and self serving; a bunch of pampered elite millionaires who dine well on luxury banquets, swan around the world to look important at conferences, and rub shoulders with billionaires and entertain them in government palaces with sweetheart deals, silent compromises and unspoken promises of lucrative jobs and well paid retirements. Backed up by thug policemen with water cannon and lethal weapons, and secret detention centres. But we are not oppressed here in the UK. We have no early morning secret police raids on people's houses and locking them up without recourse to a lawyer, or due process. We don't have torture cells and unexplained deaths in police custody, and government cover-ups. we don't have corrupt policemen fitting up suspects acting with impunity and killing people with little or no chance of being caught. Except, of course we do have all of these, we just don't like to talk about them in polite society. Its only those red ken leftie types, bleeding heart liberals and guardian readers that get in a tizz about that sort of stuff. People in the UK have the right to peaceful protest When a million people in London protested peacefully against invading Iraq They were ignored by the government. we sent in the troops When thousands of students protested peacefully in London against increases in student fees the government spokesmen had dismissed their protest even before they had returned home But now, suddenly when a few shops are looted in London We are outraged And now - we the self selected guardians of probity, doing very nicely thank you want action. We call them scum, we want the government to send in troops and riot police and we want stern action - fill a few wards with broken limbs and bleeding heads, we want them locked up in prison. We want them shot, we want them gassed and hosed down with water cannon. Because we fear them, we loathe them and we hate them. We have never met them, but our ability to instantly pass judgement on whole communities means that we instinctively know they are all drug taking scroungers workshy and living off ridiculously generous state benefits. and anyone who suggests otherwise is an idiot. Even Martin Luther King. Scratch the smooth surface of our comfortable middle class veneer of civilization and we instantly display our utter contempt for the underclasses; the other. Their wanton damage to our flowerbeds and our shopping precincts is uncalled for and unforgivable. We don't want to listen to explanations, engage in dialogue, acknowledge their anger or consider their frustrations. We just want them stopped - silenced and put out of sight. Brutally by preference. Not me. I have the privilege of growing up in Northern Ireland - with years of experience off regular riots and bombings and thousands and thousands of British soldiers deployed to protect us all from ourselves. And snatch squads to arrest random rioters And secret army snipers on the roof of Woolworths armed and ready to shoot 15 year old boys And arbitrary detention, And Bloody Sunday... Be careful, Middle Britain, what you wish for.... All rights reserved. Users may download and print extracts of content from this blog or comment for their own personal and non-commercial use only. Republication or redistribution of Michael Heaney's content, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Michael Heaney. Benchwhistler Associates Ltd and its logo and tag lines are trademarks of MIchael Heaney or Benchwhistler Associates Ltd. © Michael Heaney 2011 Benchwhistler Associates Ltd Planned People Maintenance - Enhancing the Performance of your most important asset™ www.benchwhistler.com Know Better™

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David Simpson

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Are we witnessing the breakdown of our society as we know it? Many of you seem to think so & I must admit to agreeing with you. When the politicians rip us off for years (not just their expenses), stock markets around the world are crashing, when police chiefs are arrested for fraud, when the banks don't give a s**t about paying back the billions they owe to us and the media - not just Murdoch's NOTW - engage in criminal activity: Why are we surprised when the "small people" decide they don't have to obey the law of the land? If it's alright for the so called rulers & influencers of our society it should be OK for everyone else, shouldn't it? Or am I just plain naive in thinking we live within a democracy? It has been obvious for years that some people are more equal than others & I believe we are witnessing a radical shift in the perspective of our society. Most of the rioting has just been plain criminal activity with certain ethnic groups playing more than their fair share of that activity & I'm not being racist, just stating fact. Look at your TV screens to see for yourself. Ialso really don't blame certain ethnic groups - or any other groups - closing ranks to defend themselves and their property otherwise who else is? The police can't/won't. What do the government think or expect when they cut social services to below the poverty line? Or when they cut back on front line police officers? A child of three would know the answers to most of the questions. We should take a long hard look at the structure our society before it really is too late but I already think we are probably beyond the point of no return. I honestly don't know which way we'll jump as a fractured society but I'm sure we can't continue like this David Simpson. MCIM, MLIA(Dip) Mainstream Marketing UK Ltd

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John Blundell

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Jacek Marczyk

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

We are slowly but steadily reaching the limits of democracy. Every time there are riots, tens of police officers are wounded, very few criminals get arrested and, evidently, get let go after a few days. Why? In order for things like these to happen this state of affairs MUST be convenient for someone or for some obscure cause. We need discipline and now. Otherwise, in a couple of decades, possibly sooner, blood will abundantly flow on our streets.

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Luis Cochofel

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

My attention is focused on 'generating positive motives-for-action', through 'turning critical entropy into creative energy'. What I tend to criticize is 'the media', due to the selection of the news and the angles they use to 'read' the events they cover, but I know 'the media' will answer me that they are doing it that way because of their readers - people on the street ... what makes me think we (active society members) are the ones to be blamed. How can we change this? We'll need to get more people into this kind of discussion, study - not only read - the offered opinions and test a new pattern of values for society in new cities (I would say small places spread around the world). We'll probably need a new currency (I'm in favour of a coin based upon TIME) but, most of all, we need to structure a new educational standard that has interconnectedness and collaboration as the basis of human life. 'The biggest problem of Mankind is not that individuals set their goals too high and miss, but, that they usually set them too low and reach them' Michelangelo 1475-1564

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Vlad K. Once

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Noetic Positivism ...social riots were foreseen... long time ago http://noeticpositivism.blogspot.com/2011/03/dual-echo-of-truth-essay.html regards.. Vlad K. Once

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Burgh House

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

"it is no wonder they choose the violent option, because the tragedy is, it works..." Non-violence can work too, as proven by Martin Luther King & Gandhi, and perhaps sends a better message.

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Gordon Rees

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

It is a shame that we cannot control some mindless thugs and I agree that Compulsory National Service for 1 year would bring some more discipline to our society or would it train these MT's to be more efficiently aggressive? We have more CCTV than anybody in the World so all of these people should be brought to Justice!! It will get worse before it gets any better as the World is just too overcrowded and we are destroying everything that was put here to give us life..

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Massimo Luciani

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Watching the news I heard about a similar riot from 1985 so it seems that actually it's nothing new, just a new explosion of violence. In the past there were riots in other countries so it's not a British thing. Every time something similar happens people wonder what we can do about it but it seems that eventually we fail because such riots happen again somewhere in the world. Of course politician talk a lot, announce new measures to make sure they won't happen again but reality is different. I'm quite a pessimist about human nature: there's really little difference between a human being and a chimpanzee. Maybe it's time we accept that and work on it to get to know our deep instincts and emotions to really control them rather than pretending we're so civilized just to start behaving violently at the first occasion. Open Source resources and games My blog about technologies, sports, books and other stuff

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Tony Casso

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Simon, Thank you for your passionate appeal to make sense out of non-sense. The fact is that Sizzle (sex, violence) sells. Our media are in the business of attracting readers, and reading about your (meaning a stranger's) success is not particularly interesting. I felt the same tightning in my gut when I saw the footage of criminals, and let's not sugar coat what they are, breaking the livelyhood (windows) of struggling merchants trying to make a go of it in a wolrd dominated by big business and governments. Nothing left for us to do than continue participating in commmunities like ecademy to create some noise around our business propositions. Sorry for the rant Simon, but this is as far as I can go in making sense of what the Boobtube fits to focus on.

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Dane Dalker

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

What would you do if you had nothing to lose? .... Perhaps you would break into shops and steal everything. It is due to the fact that there is no suitable punishment and there is no sense of personal responsibility within certain people in our society today. If a normal responsible person were to do this they would probably lose their job, be forced to pay compensation and if they were not able then then would possibly go to jail / lose their home / partner etc etc. Instead, these pathetic individuals (for that is indeed what they are) are ruining other peoples lives and will doubtless receive small fines or abit of community service, perhaps a short prison stretch. All of which are not a deterent. They must be forced to take responsibility with a realistic fine - damage estimate perhaps £30M - with 200 arrested = £150k each. At approx £10k benefits per person per annum. So no benefits for 15 years. Simple (if not terribly PC).

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Stuart Chalmers

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

For those who talk of violence and punishment as a solution e.g. increase police force, more prisons, punishment etc, which I might add is very expensive. It doesn't work, it didn't work in the past, it doesn't work now and it's unlikely to work in the future so you if you want to keep banging your head against the wall... You might apply some force in the short term to win a battle but in the long term it doesn't work, it's not pragmatic, don't waste time on stuff that doesn't work. What is wrong and what is right varies according to where you come from. I suspect the mess that the banks have put the world in has caused far far more suffering than the London riots so which is more wrong? Who should be punished, most of those bankers are free and working up more personal wealth, they just didn't set fire to anything but how many died due to what they did? What indeed is wrong and what is right?

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Alexandre Avon

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Economics have nothing to do with the reasons of such riots and the hate of some specific categories of suburbians. It's just a matter of testing how much they can snatch from weak governments and of expressing their scorn toward the indigeneous people, with the R word in mouth. Remember: the same happens regularly France, including in 2000, when it was at its peak of wealth. http://www.unites.uqam.ca/aep/articles/beaud.htm

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Matteo Preabianca

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I think it is one of the result about the falling of capitalism. First rights for anyone and after we should are about businesses. People are starving all over the world, and I do not mean for food.

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Alexander Knox

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

The reason for this is obvious to me and I believe the resolution is quite simple. The liberal government policies over the last 20-30 years, immigration, multiculturism, the welfare state and liberality of law (everyone is right in his own eyes) have resulted in a Britain that is no longer British, and young British people who have been disenfranchised in their own country. My prediction: This will not get better in the short term, it will get worse. The resolution: Identify what it truly means to be British. Recognise that the influences acting upon Britain are foreign to Britishness and remove those influences. Abandon the multicultural experiment and uphold being British. Change the attitude of policing and the courts by purging out the liberal idealists and bring in sound and swift judgement. Vote out any politician who upholds those things which are opposed to Britishness. The answer is not to bring in the Army, or hand out Horlicks, the answer is to recognise what this nation is all about, the amazing potential the British people have, the awesome future British youth could have and for reasonable people to get together to make that happen.

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A B

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A recent facebook thread... Toni Brodelle: ATTENTION: All you rule-breakers, you misfits & troublemakers, all you free-spirits & pioneers... Everything the establishment has told you is wrong with you - is actually what's right with you... ~The Wayseer Manifesto Jazz Rasool: I think a lot of people who are victims of London riots would not agree with what you're saying about rule breakers right now. People are homeless. The news reports lawlessness. Are people stealing food? No trainers, clothes and Flat screen TV's. If it was anger about poverty people would be stealing blankets and cans of beans. I live just two miles from where all the rioting started and have seen the smoke and flames. This is criminality not poverty triggered. Toni Brodelle: Wayseer distinction for me: free-thinkers vs mindless criminals. Jaz Rasool: I'm all for 'Free thinking', just not a 'Free-for-all'. Truly free thinking creates and evolves, it does not destroy and devolve. I can see where you are coming from Toni. This is mindless not mindful behaviour. I feel thats the distinction. Anybody remotely mindful would be organising ways to prevent and stop this. I am currently trying to get residents of our block of flats to meet today to prepare for possible emergencies tonight. This is not just a breakdown of law and order but a breakdown of community.The Turkish community in Dalston chased off people. That wasn't people taking law and order into their hands -that was an example of community. Time for the natives of this country to wake up and catch up. People are saying where are the police, the army, the leaders? The question is why do we need them at all? The communities that have been attacked failed in keeping their house in order. When we relinquish response-ability we relinquish the ability to respond. Yes the authorities need to exercise control beyond what we can muster within our communities. But is this all really beyond the mindful people in our communities? No. People don't realise how empowered they really are. Mindful people realise how empowered they are. Mindless people know how much power they can grab. Genuine Empowerment automatically comes with Responsability and an ability to respond in an aligned, compassionate way. Raw Power does not. Toni Brodelle SO true, Jaz. SOOOOOOOOO true. The police are there to support communities, not replace them...

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Mark 'Spud' Russell

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G'day Simon Yeah ditto mate! my heart goes out to all those caught up in this crazy bloody fued that we see going on TV, disrespect for their local shops & the familys that own the businesses, the police & even innocent by standers that needed help get robbed by these bastards! go figure? I hope it all quiets down rapidly for you guys over there & gets controlled back to normal living very soon. Cheers & take care mate, plus to other members on Ecademy in the UK. Mark 'Spud' Russell

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Mick Say

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The people involved in rioting, looting, violence and criminal damage know right from wrong - no excuse can be made of economic conditions or social deprivation or relations between the community or the police - these are just the excuses mindless thugs use and the FULL force of the law should be dealt to each and every one of them. Hard working law abiding members of these communities and local business owners should not be subject to this mindless action and the perpetrators who are caught will no doubt be issued with senseless inappropriate fines and community service. Is there any wonder that these mindless people think that they can take property and destroy lives when the law is too soft on crime and criminals. The root cause of crime!Please don't talk about the root cause of criminal activity - we all know right from wrong - * An individual knows that throwing a petrol bomb is wrong and is going to hurt someone * The looters who steal know it is wrong * The mindless yobs who throw stones at the emergency services know this is wrong Don't talk about the getting to the root cause of crime - let's start talking about more serious punishment for crimes particularly of a violent nature - When there are more serious consequences and perpetrators know that they will be held accountable for their actions then we may see a reduction in crime. It's time to get tough with yobs and criminals - our justice system is to blame for being too soft on crime and criminals - Until we toughen up we can expect violence such as this to increase. Catch the perpetrators - Lock them up and punish them appropriately - not with community service or a fine which will never be paid - Cold Hard Labour - Remove their liberty - they do not deserve to have it. Which politician is going to be brave enough to say what they think and stand up to the Mob? Mick Saywww.onlinemarketingacademy.uk.com We Specialise in Meaningful web 2.0 Website Design and Hosting.We Create Online Marketing Platforms Developed for the Social WebCall me : 0044 7719 061 835 Email: mick@micksay.com

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Peter Fry

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is social behaviour has broken down among unemployed youths. The PM should go on TV tonight and stop it immediately. How? Announce that anyone at one of these riots will not be arrested but rounded up and brought to the army barracks in ? there they will be compulsory enlisted into the army for three years. There they will learn discipline and taught about life by the army. They will learn how to grow up and have respect. Compulsory enlistment into the army for a three year period will sort them all out. Now lets see who goes on those streets tonight! Peter Fry Mobile Marketing and Internet Consultant www.Websitetomobilewebsite.com/UK

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JITESH NAIDOO

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I have read a few of the comments above and sitting in South Africa, I am in no position to comment on the exact causes of the London riots, but what I can say is that hooliganism, from whichever quarter is hooliganism and there is no other way to describe it. Imagine if everyone in the world used the same argument as some of the rioters, what condition the world would be in? Every human being, rich or poor, White or Black, male or female, has some grieviance or the other, but does everyone go and start looting and burning? No, most people air their grieviances in a civilized manner, and England being a democracy with the right to free expression and speech, there is no reason for people to behave in that manner. We in South Africa, however, have become accustomed to this sort of hooliganism, where if someone has a grieviance, they start to loot and burn. Here it is called "free expression" and exertion of ones "human rights" immaterial if the rights of the hooligan impinge on the rights of the law abiding citizen. But as the person from Australia mentioned, we live in global vilage and anarchistic behaviour is catchy. England, welcome to the global village, now you can understand more clearly what it means to be affronted with rampant hooliganism and criminality.

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Jane Lewis

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My heart goes out to anyone who has ben affected by the riots - whether it's damage to home or livelihood, or just being downright firghtened. I live close enough, but in an area that's probably not even worth looting (although there is a trainer shop and a mobile phone shop at nag's head...) I heard someone remark that it was kids who had no values, no sense of society, do it because they can, because it brings excitement into otherwise very boring lives, and because they fancy a new pair of trainers (or whatever) for nothing more than an adrenalin rush. I don't condone what they are doing, but I do think there's work to be done to re-engage kids, so they don't have to find their kicks this way, so that their lives are filled in other, more positive ways. Even harder for the police too, because 13 and 14 year olds won't go down for this, and if police do fight back and a 13 or 14 year old is badly hurt... Years ago, a group of transcendental meditators got together (about 2000 of them) and meditated together. Coincidentally, the crime statistics in the city where they were (either New York or Washington) took a bizarre, inexplicable nosedive for the period while they were meditating. Maybe we need to be doing something like that, as well as taking more tangible action to put an end to the looting, and start working on re-engagement of the disaffected. Dr Jane P Lewis Coach, teacher, consultant http://thecareersuccessdoctor.com http://janeplewisonline.com http://twitter.com/janeplewis Skype: humantransformation

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Stuart Chalmers

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I agree with Terri Ann. To a large degree we are formed by our parents and our schools so if you want to make a better society where better to concentrate than with education. I always thought this was fairly obvious. Of course it take a generation or two to take effect and a lot of upfront investment but you pay now or you pay later all the same.

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Martin Dewhurst

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Here's another perspective. The riots are "led" by the core nominal. The core nominal are hardened criminals who cause the bulk of the crime in any area, they in turn influence their peer group. Their peer group copy their actions, mirror their behaviour. The police, probation services, prison services and all allied organisations know who the core nominal group is in any area across the UK. Core nominals do not belong to one ethnic group or another, they are from all backgrounds. Going forward, this group needs dealing with as the priority. Prison does not deal with them, it merely keeps them behind bars where they learn more about crime and criminality. Each prison place costs the tax payer between £80-90,000. Each repeat offender costs between £30-40,000. With the governments current "level of thinking" the social problems being instigated upon society by this group are rapidly growing and they will continue to escalate until the core nominal are re-focused in positive ways. Re-focusing is not about punishment, not about more retribution, more fire to fight fire, it is about addressing their actions, addressing their crimes, addressing their potential and enabling them to re-focus their energy in ways that benefit society and community. Some of the worlds best experts in the field of re-focusing core nominals are ex-criminals. The reason for this is called peer to peer respect. Police respect Police. Soldiers respect Soldiers. Gang leaders respect Gang leaders. Business Leaders respect Business Leaders. But, Gang Leaders have no respect for law and order, prison or punishment. It's merely a time out. The real tragedy of the London riots... The solutions to addressing this issue are available. Martin PS Who left the BOLD tab open on this blog???

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Anthony Basiel

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In this context I think Marshall McLuhan's view of 'The Medium is the Massage' holds true in that they are using violence as the medium to convey their message. Not one I endorse, but effective. Dr. Anthony 'Skip' Basiel Sr. Learning Development Tutor / eLearning R & D Institute for Work Based Learning Middlesex University - abasiel@gmail.com

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Ulrich H. Kiefer

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Dear Thomas Power and friends, The German online journal 'Die Welt dot de' reports in a video about the ongoing bad scenarios in metropoitan cities of the UK, here especially in London, Bristol, and Liverpool. This is a really shocking and totally frightening. Therefore I will report about news from individual persons from there and provide alternatives in tourism to Asian tourist to whom I promoted: UK a must go...!? Background: The whole world saw recently the activities in Stuttgart 21 but such riots seen in UK I won't meet anywhere throughout the world. Thus, the only good message might be that video material will find out and focus straight forward on these potential gangs, murderers and criminals that provide the worst advertisement for the Olympic Games 2012: a no-go, definitely. Thank you so much for the great and engaged interest and your quick reply to my updated profile on Ecademy. See you soon online. Best wishes to you from Central EU / Meetropool .de Yours faithfully Ulrich H. Kiefer

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Katie-Ellen Hazeldine

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All those jobs for people going up in smoke. I could have cried. Kids pulling faces behind the reporters, what were they doing out at that time of night without their parents? There is an abrogation of responsibility here. Two idiots giggling into their mobile phones right behind the presenter. Cocking a snook? It was clearly a big excitement for them, and who knows who they were talking to. Their evening should have been made even more exciting, with them marched off and put in a police van for obstruction, or even as suspects, as their glee suggested. This was not about People Power, or a just cause, or even the shooting of a man concerning whose innocent victimhood, may he RIP regardless, and the grief of his loved ones is none the less terrible regardless, there is at the very least, cause for doubt. While civilians, whosoever they may be, have guns and are not afraid to wield the power this gives them, it's tragic, but the rest of us, the great unarmed, need the Police as the representatives of the law-abiding majority, to contain and over-top them. Or else the freedom to defend ourselves. And our Police are struggling on many fronts. If a gunman came down our street, shouting his odds, we wouldn't care in that moment if he was rich, poor, white or black, Muslim or Christian. left wing or right wing. We would want the threat neutralized, when push came to shove. My brother is a police officer working in public order, but he's a private citizen like the rest of us, off-duty. He was attacked by two strangers outside his own front door three years ago. They were drunk. It was completely idle, but no doubt they could have found a mighty social reason to brandish afterwards, given a public platform to shout it from. His son called the Police (very funny) before he and his mother rushed out to help and my brother got off with teeth marks. Any poverty is too much. We have too much, too many children without good places to play. I hope no poor hidden homeless die un-noticed in any arson attack, sheltering in buildings and no-one knowing they are in there. The time for reflection, and change, even if overdue, is later. There are cycles and tides in social affairs, how to ride them for the greater good?

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Geoff Day

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These rioters and looters are reminiscent of the arrogant and **** yobs who set the ball rolling on Kristallnacht, what hope is there for one of the most tolerant countries on this earth. I for one, despair of a solution, subject only to a fundamental change in the attitude of parental discipline instilled at the age of reason and it's not going to happen, it's too late in my view. I predict the fall of western civilisation in favour of a new Asian empire within the next fifty years or so and possibly sooner. Witness the fall of the Greeks and the Romans and so on, now consigned to history. Mark my words.

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Anthony Basiel

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Dr. Anthony 'Skip' Basiel Sr. Learning Development Tutor / eLearning R & D Institute for Work Based Learning Middlesex University - abasiel@gmail.com

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Terri Ann Laws

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The youngsters are running riot and looting. Why? Because they don't care, don't love, don't feel they belong, have no self respect, etc.. and why is that? I'll tell you why. It's very simple. The root cause of ALL of this is the failure of society to teach essential needed skills in schools. Parents have no idea that they damage their child's self esteem when they criticise and insult the child. They don't realise that many of their words and behaviours are destructive to a child's mind and heart. How can they know? Their parents treated them that way! They will agree it is wrong and hurtful when discussing their own parent's behaviour, but they have no clue they are guilty of damaging their own children in the same way. So here we have a society of angry, embittered, hurting youths that feel the urge to destroy because of what is in their hearts. Who put those thoughts and feeling there? The parents. Why? Because the parents are still feeling that way themselves, and it escalates with each successive generation. .How many parents realise that is abuse to call your child lazy? Or to call your child 'selfish'? Or to tell your child he/she is worthless? The parent may assume he/she has justifiable reason, but there is no reason or excuse on earth that can ever justify abuse. Even a murderer thinks he/she can justify it. The damage can never be minimised by a good excuse. The solution is to begin at once educating the population as to what is abuse, how to deal with your own feelings, how to make your loved ones feel valuable, happy and appreciated, and how to ensure your kids become responsible citizens.

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Andrew Butler

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Having witnessed first hand past riots such as those in the chapletown area of Leeds in the mid 80's and the Peterlee riot a few years later and being chased by gangs for daring to step into their zone of control, we have to be aware these young people have a gang mentality but always follow a leader. Sometimes these leaders are not kids they are adults with their own agenda. What we are seeing is a result of publicising that the bad things of society make more news and notoriety for the dissaffected than their sweeping the streets on community service. These are not poor people, they are idle malcontents who do not want to contribute because they are conditioned into believing they can get away with anything. More than likely when a judge passes sentence they will get trips to outward bounds courses and given rewards for improvement rather than a taste of the hell they have brought to others.

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Ayshe Kadir

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That what we are seeing now is a direct result of the breakdown in family, respect, discipline and unity. When I was a child, neighbours looked out of their doors and if they saw a child misbehaving they would be told off. You couldn't go home to your parents and complain, you would get another telling off because parents knew that the adults were right. Likewise, school was for learning and the teachers ensured that you treated them with respect, as you would your parents and also you were taught to respect your fellow students. With a complete breakdown in morals and values, it is no wonder that we have the problems that we are seeing. So, what's the solution. Quite simply bring back compulsory national conscription for 18 to 40 year olds. Where schools and "families" have failed to teach these hooligans respect, the armed forces would. After a few years they come out reformed characters with a trade, life skills that they previously did not possess and are able to be active, respectable members of society. Ayshe www.InvestInTheStates.com

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Graham Baylis

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These riots are indeed an affront to all and it is my belief that some degree of force is required in order to quell the situation, otherwise it is liable to spread to more and more places in the UK. I say this as it has always been the 'rule of law' that has kept many people from doing what they want and today, this rule of law is a sorry shadow of what it used to be, mostly in my view due to the rise in human rights, where the individuals rights seem to be placed above those of society as a whole. The combine this reduction in power and the rise of injustice, whether perceived or not and you get a powder keg. Such kegs are easily ignited by the young men in society, especially if they are disillusioned, uneducated and undisciplined. So in my view the first thing is to stop the rot using force, thus re establishing the rule of law and then and only then, must the causes be attended too. This will include getting everyone to respect again, respect for themselves, their countrymen and their nation. This will not be easy, but it is my contention that until these youths respect themselves they will NEVER respect anything and thus have nothing to lose by going on a rampage. Force by the way, can be used in a very humane way, the reading of the riot act was designed to give all a chance to move away and thus not suffer the consequences of the law (which I think was hanging back then). Today, we could read such an act, and then use rubber bullets, plus perhaps using water canon with special dye that would mark all still there. If you have the dye marks, then you must be guilty (unless you have a very good story to tell at least) and suffer the consequences outlined in the (new) act. Such force correctly used would stop this terrible situation, but it will not be the answer, we must as I say, instil RESPECT (and I don't mean that political party) in all our citizens, then and only then can we move on. By the way, this respect goes beyond the youth and must also be instilled on those people in control of the banks etc, the ones who take these huge bonuses for doing little. Such actions show no respect for the people and nation they are supposed to live/serve in. Actions by these few would have a big impact in my view as it would show that they too care about society and not just about their wallets. Respect must start at the top as well as the bottom of society. Graham Baylis Internet Marketing and Promotion Specialists www.somltd.co.uk "Making sure your needle is found in the Internet Haystack"

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Lucas Wyrsch

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Dear Simon, UK has to close down all nuclear power plants and to cease asymmetric allocation and create a global Tobin tax to end turmoil! Regarding nuclear power plants, because no nuclear power plant has ever been save and will never be save nowhere in the world, UK included! In Income Inequality: Too Big to Ignore ROBERT H. FRANK from the New York Times explained asymmetric allocation in the US that "during the last three decades the economy has grown much more slowly, and our infrastructure has fallen into grave disrepair. Most troubling, all significant income growth has been concentrated at the top of the scale. The share of total income going to the top 1 percent of earners, which stood at 8.9 percent in 1976, rose to 23.5 percent by 2007, but during the same period, the average inflation-adjusted hourly wage declined by more than 7 percent." The problem is that if the share of the top 1 percent of earners increases from 8.9 percent in 1976 to 23.5 percent in 2007, during this time period of 31 years, asymmetric allocation increased by 164 percent! You suddently won't have enough members of the middle class to pay enough taxes and if the best paid get tax reductions, your national debt increases! That's what happened! If you close down one nuclear power plant that generates electricity to one million people and bills them one billion you may create one hundred thousand new jobs of solar panel suppliers who will sell the surplus of their energy through a smart grid to one million customers and get each £ 10'000.- in additional revenue per year! This would end asymmetric allocation of revenues through a very many one million consumers to a very few one nuclear power plant and create a far more symmetric revenue stream.through a many to many revenue model that would end social conflicts. The correction in the form of a Tobin transaction tax would reduce this asymmetric allocation indirectly because currency speculator would get less profit on each deal, as 0.25% of the transaction would have to go on one side to the tax authorities! Have a great and prosperous time! Best - Lucas Join The Swiss Business Club - Join the GuanXi Game Club - Join the Risk Consulting Club - And Join Doing Business Virtually!

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Michael Biggins

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Wow. A really diverse set of comments! I am suggesting the law and order equivalent of triage. First stop the chaos. Catch them. Stop them. Take them off the streets by any means necessary. But physically remove them! Then assess the source issues and take a longer-term view for preventive actions. But that will only come once the peace is restored. Anyone remember the significance, and origins, of the term "Read them the riot act"?

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Sigrid de Kaste

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Every comment here is valid and I have only questions...no answers! The young people doing this seem to have nothing they're striving for...no focus...no goals they'd like to achieve...just "fun" Is the media to blame?...Social Media will spread it if the Media does not report... I'm puzzled as to WHY do so many young people take such fun in destroying and being violent? Where is the underlying issue here? If it is their thinking...why? Why are they thinking this is fun? Where is it coming from...where did it start.... There is definitely no excuse ....but there is also no instant answer or solution... I really feel for the residents and businesses in the middle of this....my thoughts are with them! Sigrid de Kaste

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Tommaso Potenza

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The army are not going to stop the rioting until they have done enough damage & killed & injured enough people. then the government will put a plan in place to "protect" us even more and make the UK more of a Police State-Big Brother state. This is all about making "certain people" more money...It's a false flag event, just like the one a gentleman with a black moustache staged during WWII as an excuse to invade Poland. Wars have always been bad for the people, but for "certain people" have always been a great cash machine. Think, people, think and act...let's educate ourselves, develop talent, make people more proactive, spread the word and just like the invention of the printing press brought more power to the people, the internet will do the same today. WE ARE IN THE DRIVERS SEAT, or shuld I say YOU ARE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT!!!! Fabrizio Poli President & Chairman EJONE fabrizio.poli@ejone.net www.ejone.net Mobile +44 7907 669 865

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Bruce Townsend

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When the dust settles and the facts are established, I'm pretty sure we will find 3 elements at work: 1) Disenchanted and disenfranchised young people who feel they have no voice and no opportunity, and are losing hope for their own futures 2) Former ASBO-holders, accustomed to the idea that they can cause trouble and get away with it and happy to take it to the next level 3) The usual bunch of anarchists orchestrating trouble behind the scenes Getting the situation under control and preventing a recurrence will require all three of those issues to be properly addressed. TBH I'm glad it's not my job. It will require courage on the part of political leaders, and consent and co-operation from the communities, and it's hard to see where any of those ingredients are going to come from ATM. Bruce Townsend, Small Business SEO

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Ross Williamson

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Is that as usual we have the politicians split right down party lines, pontificating and obfuscating the real causes of the widespread anarchy which has appeared on the streets of England's towns and Cities in the aftermath of Mark Duggan's shooting. Much of what is happening suggests a breakdown in society, exploited by opportunists and common criminals, but undeniably driven by a disenfranchisement and lack of hope of a generation of young people. Senior figures in policing and the unions representing the police warned Theresa May that the cuts made to policing across the UK would leave them hugely exposed should an event such as this take place. Britain is managed poorly which has precipitated a huge disparity between rich and poor with a disproportionate minority controlling the nations wealth, measuring a lack of hope against an opportunity to strike back at the very society which has left you disenfranchised would seem to be a no brainer for the youth of our country. I believe that this incendiary and explosive behaviour was inevitable a ticking time bomb waiting for a viable fuse which came in the form Mark Duggan's death at the hands of armed police and the irresponsible obfuscation peddled by certain media sources. The Metropolitan Police are lacking in leadership due to the cowardice of our Prime minister who despite perpetrating horrific levels of questionable judgement in regard to the phone hacking scandals and brazenly riding out the storm whilst expecting Sir Paul Stevens and his assistant to fall on their swords for a much lesser and unproven level of professional misconduct. With people like Cameron in charge how can we expect cogent and strong leadership in the face of such widespread and disgraceful civil unrest? There must be a robust and all encompassing response with ringleaders arrested and dealt with to the full letter of the law, then as a country and society we really need to take a hard look at the way our nation is run. Generations of our children are doomed to to a life without hope of employment and the opportunity to better themselves through the rising cost of education, have we conveniently forgotten the behaviour of our middle class students not more than a few months ago?....The harbingers were there and we chose to ignore them!!!

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Stuart Chalmers

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Everyone should have equal opportunity as much as possible but we are not equal, that's a fact whether you like it or not, the chances of producing a uniform utopian society has about 0% chance as far as I can see. An individual life is subjective. In general you can only judge according to your life experiences. The people causing the riots in London will most likely have a completely different life, one which if you have not experienced then you will fail to comprehend and will benchmark against a very different set of criteria. To exaggerate, the life of Donald Trump is not comparable to that of a poor Nigerian picking a living off a landfill rubbish dump and concerning him/herself with survival to the next day. In conclusion, "why can't these people be just like us" simply doesn't apply. If you want to improve society and the environment then you need to bring the poor "closer" to the rich and look after all those who cannot cope in general. In economic terms it usually costs less to look after people that need some help than to deal with the fallout of not looking after them. This you now see represented in the London riots.

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Mike LeGassick

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Mob and thug mentality, pure and simple. Does anyone really believe that this is all about the guy that got shot? Can people really be that naive? It is just a thug 'free for all'. I wish we had the equivalent of the French and Italian riot police. That would be the end of it. Send the Army or Marines in. Use water cannons, smoke bombs and tasers. It is a disgrace and guess who is going to pick the tab up AGAIN? UK tax payers. These poor people who have been genuinely terrified, lost their entire business and livelihoods and homes. My heart goes out to them. UK Government, WAKE UP AND TAKE ACTION!!!

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Phoebe Miles

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Mobile technology and the internet has spawned the self-organisation of mass movement in moments. Whether this 'movement' is political, social or fundamentalist or purely anarchist, lawless thuggery. The kids on the street are largely opportunists who can, if asked, excuse their hideous behaviour with a weak and ill-defined social sentiment of disengagement and disillusionment. From the kids I have spoken to, there is satisfaction in expoliting opportunism, enabled by technology and excusable on the grounds of Mark Duggan's death and their general hatred of the police, which outweighs any sense of wrongdoing. Sad but true. The inability of the police and law-makers to respond to this has come about because they have not fully understood or penetrated the instant self organising capability of the masses which has been enabled the Twitters and RIMs of this world. And in many ways, youth own this capability. It seems odd that it has taken until now to realise that large groups can challenge estabished institutions in this new way, very, very quickly. Once the riots were contained in Lewisham, messages were sent on blackberries for those who were not kettled to move onto Catford. The police are left stretched, unable to be in two places at once, because they are not on that message circuit and seem not to have not engaged with those who enable these technology platforms. I think there is a sense of 'because we can, we will' amongst the youth at the moment: Because they can send messages and get their groupies down here in seconds to challenge all established mechanisms of law, order and contentment, we will. It's clearly an adrenalin rush (it's thrilling) and it clearly threatens authoritarian structures which youth have always sought to challenge. And then there's that weak sentiment of disengaged youth that resurfaces, sometimes as a motivator, sometimes as nothing more than a fleeting after-thought': Cos we don't have much to lose at the moment'.

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Binh Zientek

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I sat up until 1am today watching the events in London in horror. These rioters are blatant, and have no respect for anyone. I wish the army was there to stop them because the damage to people's homes and businesses are devastating. These innocent people's homes, jobs, businesses have been ruined so these yobs can have their new stolen trainers. I hope the rioters go to prison for a very long time. Binh Zientek Accommodation Specialist Quality London Apartments.com Tel: +44 207 476 8963 Email: sales@qualitylondonapartments.co.uk Follow me on Twitter/LondonApartmentwww.QualityLondonApartments.com - London Serviced Apartments Apartments in London | London serviced apartments | London apartments

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Isobel McEwan

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The situation in London is simply beyond comprehension - and whilst I agree that we need to treat the problem at source rather than applying a band aid to it, I also believe that the media coverage is a double edged sword. Yes, we need to and should know what's going on but my fear is that the media coverage (all of it) is almost a catalyst for youngsters in areas outside London (as is the case now with Birmingham and other towns throughout the UK) to jump on the bandwagon. It's becoming a free for all of epidemic proportions. It reminded me of Malcolm Gladwell's book the Tipping Point - has the UK reached theirs or is this the tip of the iceberg. My heart goes out to everyone who lives in and around these scenes of carnage - years of building a life, home, job taken away by mindless youths who might one day look back with regret at what they have done - or will they?

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jas steele

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Tagedy is not just in London, Why do we let youths roam streets in disguise. And why when caught breaking law do they get slapped wrist and help, sack the social workers the money saved spent on POLICE

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andrew james campbell

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

A young filmaker put this on his FB page. "When you cut facilities, slash jobs, abuse power, discriminate, drive people into deeper poverty & shoot people dead whilst refusing to provide answers or justice, the people will rise up & express their anger & frustration if you refuse to hear their cries. A riot is the language of the unheard" ~ Martin Luther King

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Carolyn Williams

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Wake Up Sleepy Britons

Hello Simon, Getting priorities right both at home, in schools, universities, public sector and businesses alike for our Country before we follow any other. These riots are literally a 'Wake Up Sleepy Britons Call'. When you have no jobs, no discipline, no hope but cheap booze and drugs as alternatives, you have nothing to lose. Our front line the Police, Fire service, Ambulance, Paramedics and Troops come into their own with all of the above training and discipline when confronted by hatred and abuse. We watch as our young service personnel are brought home from Afghanistan and previously Iraq, in boxes and little is known through headlines. On the other scale Amy Winehouse dies at a tragically young age, drink and drugs claiming unashamedly yet another talented singer and it makes every tabloid on the streets. It's not rocket science. We need the same rocket launchers that kill elite service men up the bums of sleepy, overfed, comfy so called wise elders that run our beautiful Nation. It's swap places with the front liners then come up with policies that give support, measures and credit to those who serve (including businesses) our Nation. You, Nick and Mike are right to put this on top of the Front Page!!!! C:)x www.cardiffboardroom.co.uk www.lifestyle-online.co.uk

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Enrico Gala

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hateful injustice event

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Richard Grace

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I was dissapointed with David Cameron cutting off the Journalists at his most important moment. "Cometh the hour" and all that! What we all wanted was leadership and this involves good ideas and sometimes new ones. Something has clearly gone wrong and force rarely succeeds when dealing with people. I live in Chester and last night it was peaceful but the same society exists here too and I am worried about this problem happening here. Why is this - because we need a new solution quick - let's all hope that the" important work" David went back into number 10 to do was to check out what people think and come back with something a bit more suitable. Noone wants this kind of thing it is damaging to our businesses and our nation. Richard Grace from Chester

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Tommaso Potenza

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Jon, the so-called "forgotten youth" are being manipulated. They are just puppets so that "certain people" can put systems in place to make more money. These "certain people" don't care about the people, just their pockets... What can we do? Be an example, let people know that they can design their own futures and not become "victims". Let's make the world a better place, let each one of us become a shining beacon to the world. Let's develop our talents and help others develop theirs. Fabrizio Poli President & Chairman EJONE fabrizio.poli@ejone.net www.ejone.net Mobile +44 7907 669 865

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Shaun Corrigan

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This all exposes the soft, liberal approaches for the failures they are. Feeling dispossessed? Get a job then, parasite. Here in Dubai this wouldn't happen. Why? They'd be flogged or shot. Extreme actions require extreme reactions

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Ian Walker

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Ian Walker These London riots is an example of orgainised crime at its worse. These are young adults and school children who are just enjoying themselves smashing things up looting and burning. They have no gripe with the stores and businesses they have ruined, and they don't care. They have found en excuse to riot and it has given them some sick entertainment over the holidays. They will give many reasons and none will justify what they have done. I don't know an answer, all I do know is it makes me feel very sad. The real tragedy is someone now has to pick up all the bits and try to put something back together again, and the knock on effect this will have on many peoples lives. As if things were not bad enough already. Someone said to me 'they should bring back national service'. Why? When they can get hold of guns anyway, and it looks like many were having much more fun doing what they want rather than being given orders. Most of these rioters are not even local, they travel to riot. I was even told it is all organised using Twitter etc. Still the Prime Minister has returned from his holiday to chair a COBRA meeting, so does this give us all any confidence?

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Joachim Baumgaertner

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This is an issue that cannot be fixed easily. Not by politicians, not by police and not by teachers. What many of those looters lack is a moral compass, because they never got one from their parents.

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David Chadderton

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Jon Boys

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All over the world this is happening. It is not just in the UK. The forgotten youth want to be heard. Most of them are not thugs. They simple get in with the wrong crowd and end up doing things as a gang they would never chose to do as individuals. I have seen it many times in war zones around the world. In 1974 when serving in the RAF, I witnessed a country go into civil war and total meltdown in a few days. Before, Cyprus was a civilised integrated society and in a flash they turn on each other and chose to buy into the belief systems based on what happened hundreds is not thousands of year ago. Social unrest is not new. Social media however is new and enable large numbers of people to voice opinions and organised like never before. We are entering a new time. We need to wake up and change our social values. We need to raise human consciousness to a level unheard of before. Our youth and our children are our future. Instant gratification is not the fault of our children. Our generation invented it. We cannot blame our young for simply adapting to a world we have imposed on them. If they have no values it is because we have allowed them to have low self esteem and lose hope. Living in a blame culture is not the way forward. There is no justification for looting and violence. Unfortunately as civilised at we human being appear, we are killers and fighters just below the surface. We have to find a way forward so that our citizens can all feel valued. So that people do feel there is hope. The only way I feel this is possible is for each one of us to stand up and take responsibility. Become caring individuals and stop turning a blind eye to the issues of others. I work with charities and help people whenever they ask for help. I try not to judge people and lead by example whenever I can. I do not always get it right and get as pissed off and anxious as anyone else. However I can rise above the feelings of doubt and apathy and chose to take action to make my mark on the world. What are you doing to make things change in your reality? I like to think I am a man with great hope for a peaceful future both in our wonderful country and planet Jon Boys Managing Director Executive Coach and Personal Performance Coach IMS Group (Training, Coaching) "Happiness is an inside job" jon-boys@ntlworld.com

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Martin Gray

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

I'm sorry to hear the pain and frustration of all those involved.....and we have this coming, and more yet....as is already being pointed out, these are symptoms of a far deeper all pervasive pain, that of lack of human connection, and lack of human-potential being fostered in every single life that comes into the world. It (the 'Game') is not set up to celebrate human development, rather, to maintain a certain 'order' so that things (human things) can continue and some get to feel a little more powerful (or rather 'complete, wanted, needed' in their own ways). A sort of attempt to 'fill a gap' but none really exists. And until, again as is already being posted by some here, we re-educate (and I'm not talking about schools and academic education) ourselves and every being to enable and empower their greatest contribution, there will be no change, only the change forced by anger vented, usually without ever knowing what it is, where it comes from, how it starts and builds up, in each human, each community, nation and society. Beyond this revolt and anger and destruction will eventually be something new, more wholesome, more....'more' : but we may have way to go yet. I don't condone the violence or outrage, but I fully understand it and have no interest further obsessing over the publicity of it. Martin Gray PO Box 31033, Milford North Shore Auckland NZ 0741 +64-(0)21-157-8856 (mob) SKYPE : mgraynz martin@martingray.co.nz "How your wellness benefits other people, in other lands" http://mylifeforce.net/martingray http://www.teamcrown.net/presentations/owt/ for 27 minute presentation online

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Kyle Newman

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

" The greatest danger for most of us... is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we achieve it..." (Michelangelo) Kyle Newman Move Beyond Tel: +44 (0)845 0958044 Web: www.movebeyond.net Web: www.kyle-newman.com

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Tommaso Potenza

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Interesting comments...Haven't any of you realized that these riots are actually organized. Men with black hoods and radios have been seen all over UK coordinating the rioting. We need to ask ourselves who is behind all this and why? Any ideas? Fabrizio Poli President & Chairman EJONE fabrizio.poli@ejone.net www.ejone.net Mobile +44 7907 669 865

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Janis Curry

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An interesting read. I've just written a blog post about The London Riots, from the perspective of a gang member: http://mumversuskids.reallykidfriendly.com/2011/08/london-riots-from-gang-members.html Please have a read and feel free to post your comments and links to your articles about it too.

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Barbara Brown

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Whatever the reason we can't let this opportunity to put society back on track. There is a lot of talk about taking action and bringing to justice but surely we have to do more than suppress and punish. Why can't we change the culture (it is possible look at drink driving, smoking, eqaulity etc) There is an opportunity to round them up using military if neccessary. The next step is the important one. We have the chance to influence them. the schools are empty so lets use them as holding posts. (The legal system couldn't cope with the numbers anyway and would only further alienate) Then lets do our best to change the culture. Maybe its time for our privileged celebrity culture to give something back. They would be in a good position to influence. Hold sessions to make sure these youths are seen to be heard and then influenced by people they revere. Then make sure they are involved in solutions and actually made to take part. Expensive yes, but not as epensive as the loss of social order loss of business and loss of influence in a horribly unstable world. Syria will certainly take no criticism from a country whose own citizens are rioting and out of control.

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Kyle Newman

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Hi Simon Yes it is tragic for those businesses and households caught up in the damage and violence. Hopefully they will be insured and able to get back trading asap, but I'm sure for some it will have very damaging consequences. Alas, I do however see it as a symptom of the world we live in today and many of the systems/social norms that have emerged in the past 20 years or so. I personally believe that this violence, the financial crisis and much of what is going on in the world in the past few years is a sign and symptom of some major changes that are needed in the way our society functions. No mean feat. I'm reminded of the Einstein quote: "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." We need strong leadership in the world now more than ever! " The greatest danger for most of us... is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we achieve it..." (Michelangelo) Kyle Newman Move Beyond Tel: +44 (0)845 0958044 Web: www.movebeyond.net Web: www.kyle-newman.com

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Alice Jackson

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This mindless violence has nothing to do with politics, the economy, taxes or the unfortunate death of a man shot by the police earlier this week. These thugs are not intelligent enough to be acting for a cause. They are acting for themselves. The majority of British people are hard working, law abiding and determined to get through the financial crisis the world finds itself in. This small minority do not represent Britain, they are an underclass. Kind Regards, Alice Jackson Virtual Services Director

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safai ozer

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

. Hi; is there anybody here who knows the rich and poor ration in London? Best wishes. .

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Michael Biggins

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Clearly these are no longer issue inspired protests and subsequent riots. As has been often stated on the news, it is plain and simple 'criminality'. The police are using riot control tactics when they should be arresting these idiots on sight. It is incredible that the police are simply pushing these guys away rather than slapping cuffs on them. These tactics allow, indeed encourage, them to disperse and reform to cause even more trouble. It is time for a complete rethink. These are not rioters. They are gangs of thieves and arsonists.

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Dhananjay Parkhe

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

Dear Simon, A very moving account of what happened and the tragedy which is still unfolding in other parts. I hope peace and order prevails in the shortest possible time. I felt very sad by the loss which the Small and medium enterprises suffered by the mob fury (?) Our sympathies are with all those who have suffered in these traumatic hours. Warm regards. Jay Thanks and Warm regards Jay Parkhe Life is Good. Realise Mastery in Servitude

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Danish Thanvi

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Alert: London Set To Be Under Martial Law In Next 24 Hour

London Set To Be Under Martial Law In Next 24 Hours

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Konrad Farnbauer-Schmidt

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Good news is not appreciated in our society. Look at the wars on earth on violence celebrated by the news m(f)akers. Publicity mostly get the bloody scene. Panem et circenses ...bread and games to hold and make us dumb. I don't think that this kind of violence is organized by those on the street. May be a bigger plan behind.

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Ian Rutter

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"The family of Mark Duggan has condemned the riot that broke out in Tottenham last night as eyewitness reports emerge that trouble erupted after a 16-year-old girl threw a rock at police. Mr Duggan was shot dead by marksmen on Thursday and his fiancee, Semone Wilson, has said that she wanted answers, not trouble, while his brother, Shaun Hall, called for the community to remain calm." Daily Mail, 8th August The shooting of Mark Duggan had been used as the reason behind the initial riots in Tottenham, and the Metropolitan Police have described the incident as "regrettable". A full investigation is under way. We have to accept that in today's society, incidents such as the shooting of Mark Duggan are bound to happen, as the police go about their business of trying to protect society. Provided that subsequent investigations are thorough, fair and open, and then appropriate action is taken, then we should be satisfied. There is no excuse for what has happened since, but I notice that the police have come under attack for not responding quickly enough: "The police were already facing criticism for allowing rioting to break out in Tottenham after what started as a peaceful protest over the death of Mark Duggan at the hands of police armed response officers, and Sunday night's events will intensify claims that the police response has been inadequate." The Guardian, 8th August The police simply cannot win! During the course of a police operation, a man gets fatally wounded; the circumstances surrounding this incident will become clear in time. Mindless, anarchic imbeciles ride on the back of the incident to create mass destruction. The police are accused of a slow response, but had they taken an immediate and forceful approach to quell these riots, then there is every likelihood that someone would have been hurt, or even killed....in the course of police action to protect our society. It is time for some of these do-gooding commentators to get to grips with the fact that there may be rare times when individuals do get hurt, or even killed, as a result of police activity to safeguard our communities. They also have no right subsequently to criticise the police when they adopt a less-then-bullish approach to quashing the recent disgusting actions of mindless criminals. Such action would surely have resulted in the injury of one of the "poor souls" helping themselves to bags of rice from Tesco or the entire stock from PC World. Would such unabated "police brutality" have sparked yet more protests? The police are doing their job, in the same way that the armed forces have to do their job. It is a sad fact, today, that in the course of their activities people can get hurt or even killed. The shooting of Mark Duggan has nothing to do with the most recent riots. If you were to ask 95% of the perpetrators if they had heard of Mark Duggan, they would look at you blankly. They are scum, intent on creating mayhem for some perverse sense of amusement. They are opportunist thieves, out to get what they can with no thought for anyone else, and who couldn't give a jot for the communities in which they live. Do-gooders will undoubtedly try to find excuses for their behaviour, blaming the government cuts, erosion of society etc etc. Don't make excuses for these people. There is NO excuse. We are a democractic society and we have ample opportunity to make our opinions known without resorting to violence and vandalism. To my mind, it is everyone's duty to report anyone they believe was involved in these riots. Prison is not a punishment for those people who are caught and arrested. They need to be made to pay back society in a genuine way, by rebuilding the communities they have willingly destroyed.

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David Brager

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Folks, we are divided by the logic of another species.

Subject: GameCon, please read and disseminate to all ASAP. Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:30:05 -0700 From: David Brager To: Dear GameCon: If you can see through time, you can build computer games in reality. Thus, in finding that humans have such abilities, this email dumps everything so we can build better games because a quarter-century ago, in merging BASIC computer language with hypnosis, we did adventure games where the players SWORE they were battling REAL MONSTERS IN REAL TIME, but when their eyes closed and they did purely subconscious gaming, ONE MINUTE out here in reality is processed as EIGHT YEARS in the game. Consider, what would a computer virus would have looked like using today's methodology AND INTELLECT but using the technology from 3000 years ago? The Torah wasn't what we thought it was, and everyone in history has been trying to get the family to re-examine a major catastrophe we never saw we carried through time. My name is David Brager, I found in 2005, a 42-point puzzle in the Gospel of Matthew, clearly written by a Jew who had been through the mind-numbing experience of the Bar Mitzvah, and a link follows so you can decode the puzzle for yourself. From this puzzle, I discovered a battery of tools for the human mind, and yet, the Always Faithful US MARINE CORPS had no idea of any of these tools, so as I was working on my MBA in Marketing studies, and being on Social Security Disability income, as a Gonzo Journalist at heart, I rose to test the tools. On 6/5/6. I called the FBI Anti-Terrorism unit in NYC and asked my one burning question. "Have you ever run bomb sniffing dogs through the REMAINING TOWERS at the World Trade Center?" The agent on the phone replied, "uh...UH...UH!!! GOODBYE!!!" and slammed down the phone. Something didn't happen on 6/6/6, and I found all this data on the web. The explosives were in the building, and you can see it with four stop watches on 9/11 footage. First plane, start two. Second plane, stop one to denote distance in space-time between the first impact and the first building falling, but immediately start a third. First building falls, stop one to denote distance between first impact and first falling, but start a fourth to denote the distance in space-time between the first tower to fall and the second tower falling. Second falls, stop other two, including the one to denote distance between second impact and the second tower falling. Nearly a parallelogram in time. This does not happen in nature. This happens with seismographs set to countdown timers set to explosives. In the 1980's bombing, the van wasn't completely destroyed by the explosives, and this puzzled the FBI. What they had never considered was that the explosives were already in the building, and the bomb was designed only to shake the foundation. It was supposed to set off a domino effect with the other towers above, but the bomb makers failed to shake the ground enough to start the chain reaction. Look who was President. The terrorist who built this was an interred Japanese. I am going to show you macro game design that's been attacking the USA for 178 years, but because of a series of actions in the foreground and defective policy writing in the background, we find an alien attack on this world using viral logistics moving through a swarm of wicked people who, as you discover your technology, reveal that intellect that drives our SHARED imagination when individuals break four rules to reality, allow that intellect to drive their cyborg avatar in this dimension. It's not hypnosis but computational logic, and I bring it all. Are you enjoying this economic nightmare? I need to teach you and the whole planet, all as fast as I can, how to see through time using tools to triangulate the mind's eye, how to program humans, and how to analyze any moment in space-time so you can track the movements of people who have caught a logical virus. We knew that people who wrote computer viruses were mean, but until these past ten years with computers did we discover the problems with complex systems being overtaken by too many rules so as to bog down and fail the whole system. The man you have come to know and love as the Prophet Mohammed, over 1200 years before computers, wrote an anti-virus to the Torah. I'm Jewish. We made a terrible mistake of carrying a document with NON-HUMAN chaos-making values through space-time, apparently being CHOSEN to carry a big trap through time, but in my discovery of villains using logistics from the Torah as planetary weaponry, since 1833, when President Andrew Jackson closed their first US Bank, to piss everyone off at everyone else, I have built a computer game using actual history so I can re-harmonize world relations and reveal our first case of war of the worlds. We have people on this planet with A logical virus. It's been here a long time. With all the work on the web, as you are an expert in communications, you need to change the way you look at civilization as if looking at the internet. I have met with the FBI here in the US, and I have the green light to raise a call to the US Marine Corps. I bring tools to upgrade civilization so that the computer hacks of this world can SEE A PROBLEM IN THEIR MIND that no one can see with their eyes because it is TOO BIG, but because of the complexities with computer system analysis, we can see these things using our mind because we have learned the hard way to using the mind's eye to extrapolate mass groups of chaos-making logistics to being recognized as viruses. A good man, and papered elder of my mom's, asked for a painful death so he could prove he SEES us and sent help the only way possible, as well as sending tools to teach how he's doing this so he can make his argument AGAIN that the Torah wasn't what we thought it was. It turned out to be a trap for the Burning Bush. As you will discover, now with 3000 years of human history and misery, humans do not behave like the people who presumably are the Israelites in this document. Having earned an MBA, I know, as a wise and learned manager, if I go on hiatus for an undisclosed period of time, setting out rules of absolutes that are not to be broken while I am gone, but some bully without my permission rises to management and makes my employees do exactly what I told them not to do, when I return back, I do not side with bad management. I side with the meek. What happens in Torah at Sinai would never happen on Earth with HUMANS in the same situation. Next, at no time in 3000 years with contracts do we find one copy of the contract that's encrypted by the author. No, instead we find redundant copies of contracts, so the Torah as a contract between a human and any deity is not human logic. Finally, in this most modern world, we would never see one copy of the instruction manual for the entire internet on just one single server with its minions doling out information on the whole system. Its more likely that there's be a self-printing card with two simple system commands and eight rules, along with a rider that begs the reader to not call tech support. The Torah was a TEST and a TRAP, set with very precise logistics in space-time. I am a computer hack and this was my discovery, so this is my responsibility to protect the whole species, as I learned from what the man who became the Prophet Mohammed did to build an anti-virus in stasis, I had to learn to become the anti-virus in an animated state to President Bush. Thus, I had no other choice but to rise to role playing in real life. All of the American Slavery is because Judaism screwed up and trusted this one document. This is a valid reason for a man to be screaming to his dying breath, "Forgive them for they know not what they do." In 1982, I learned memory mapping while on the Commodore 64 prototype #6, hand written in green ink on a white file label that was stuck to the bottom of the case. While talking with Jim Butterfield on the phone, he said the key to memory mapping was to keep good notes and explore. The next year, I met a US Army Air Corps Warrant Officer from W.W. II who wanted to learn computers in the worst way, so he made a proposal. If I'd teach him of my hobby, he'd teach me his. His hobby was hypnosis. As soon as a I started, I noted that the subconscious looked just like an operating system, so by doing strictly volunteer work, I have hacked and memory mapped the matrix. I need to get these tools to the 10000 by 10000 computer geeks as you are CYBORG, and I found a collective. What I found in merging BASIC with hypnosis was something better than the internet and much faster. I bring PROOF of an intelligent CREATOR, but also proof of some very intelligent creations. Judaism always said we had a Creator. I have PROOF! I've now hacked the Matrix out to twelve dimensions, through three servers: one that moves material logic, one that moves ethereal logic, and one that moves idea logic. You will discover each server moves five dimensions of logic. What is most interesting to me is the FLOW OF LOGIC BETWEEN dimensions. The dimensions and servers are: * Points AND lines (1D), planes (2D), space (3D), material time (4D), material matter (5D) as moved by the matter server in 6D. (Son) * Ethereal time (4D), ethereal matter (5D), belief systems (6D), real feelings (7D), real communications (8D) as moved by the ethereal server in 9D. (Holy Ghost) * The IDEA of feelings (7D), the idea of communications (8D), the inception of ideas (9D), lines of ideas (10D), planes of ideas (11D) as moved by the idea server in 12D. (Father) If you want to find and decode the puzzle in the book of Matthew for yourself, this blog post at myspace has that data. Just search for the phrase "The puzzle in Matthew begins with training wheels to educate how to use your mind's eye." http://www.myspace.com/scrypnosis/blog/539506128 This hand tool was one of three tools I extracted from the Gospel puzzle. This is a language that never arrived, and had it, the promised land was WORLD PEACE. Please look at this, and consider using it as fast as possible to make as many decisions as you can, one right after the next, so that your freedom goes through the roof and your individuality explodes into a peaceful world you never saw was here. Please label, from left index to right across the palms: lie, scapegoat, dishonor, torture, steal, overwork, adulterate, kill. Left thumb is "Love GOD with all your heart, all your soul, and all your might." Right thumb is "Treat everyone as you want to be treated." Notice that ethereal concepts are on the left hand, requiring right-hemispherical processing. This is more in line with proof of intelligent design. No matter where you go in space-time, it is only you and this hand tool. This is the PERFECT religion for a slave as it has no books, no burdens, no leadership, no tithing, no allowance for slavery, increases intellect, decreases chaos, leaves only peace in one's wake, protects one's children, is simple, and is fun. This becomes the BARRIER between fantasy and reality, and allows the whole world to become a playground, where everyone's equal, everyone's free, and everyone knows the rules. As you study space-time, this hand tool becomes much more intelligent for small children to make good decisions instantly, one right after the next, for such decisions that will NEVER violate nor let anyone beneath such decision have to violate any of the eight tests to the best of one's ability to make that decision, such two thumbs up decisions are so wise, you never have to remember them. WHY? Check this out in your mind: If you do not lie, then you respect your individual pathway as you move forward through space-time, essentially to infinity. If you do not scapegoat, you respect your pathway by being responsible for every mistake you can find backwards in space-time, essentially backwards to infinity. If you do not dishonor, you respect the peace you keep with your closest family and friends as all of you traverse through time together. If you do not torture, then you respect the wake you leave in your past as you leave others through space-time. If you do not steal, you respect the burdens others have placed upon themselves before they arrive in your vicinity in space-time. If you do not overwork, you respect the burdens you add to others as they move away from you in space-time. If you do not adulterate, you respect the rights of others to making ancestry that moves naturally forward through space-time. If you do not kill, you respect the rights of others to having ancestry that moves naturally backward through space-time. Notice how this draws a triangular plane in space-time, from the most distant future moving forward from lies to the most immediate future moving forward with adultery to the most immediate past with killing and the most distant past with scapegoating. In short, this one tool protects highly complicated systems from chaos. Please notice how these are paired. Please pair these with your fingers. This is its own language: this is NOT HEBREW. If everyone on the planet used ONLY this error channel, the instant one FEELS there is a problem, one can signal that discomfort and thus deal with instant results, OR, if the audience to your problem does not believe your safety is in any way violated and your concerns are only in your own mind, they will utilize raising the left middle finger to signal that you are scapegoating them because your issues are unfounded. With this tool, you can then go to any day, anywhere in space-time, and judge all the people on the planet against these values. This then lets you track the movements of people who have caught a logical virus, and from this, track the chaos that rages in their wake as such people break the barrier between fantasy and reality by bringing the worst of their imagination to becoming the worst of our reality. This hand tool is being argued as what MOSES was supposed to have delivered, but some **** programmer looked off into the distance in space-time, saw the most wicked people in world history, and to show how **** intelligent he was, sent a torpedo on the backs of less intelligent people who blindly carried a viral weapon through time, destroying the order and wreaking chaos through the dissemination of value structures that, now with computers, reveal every type of computer virus, but is over 3000 years old. No wonder a good man is screaming, "Forgive them for they know not what they do." All this mess, of this whole world, is the longest outcome from the Torah arriving instead of this hand tool. Time-slices being what they are, it's nice, but how about tools to teach how to see through time? So, I tracked the matrix from others using movies. Check this out! In our realm, there are a bunch of villains right up into this past Bush/Cheney White House — a swarm in space-time — that are killing the imagination of this world and giving it fear and hatred in great form. You have seen them already as… • With "Harry Potter," Voldemort and the Death Eaters. • With "Wizard of Oz," The Wicked Witch of the West and The Flying Monkeys. • With "The Matrix 3? Mr. Smith and the virus. • With "Return of the Jedi," the Emperor and the Empire • With "The Three Musketeers, the Cardinal and his men. You have seen the logical flows of Moses, Elijah, and Mohammed as two nice guys and a ruffian as a composite set, soon to be joined by a wanabee (which is the character from which point I have been playing my moves so as to obtain the happy endings these stories derive). • With "Harry Potter," Dumbledore, McGonnigal, and Snape, followed by Harry Potter • With "Wizard of Oz," The Scarecrow, The Tin Woodsman, and Cowardly Lion, followed by Dorothy • With "The Matrix 3? Trinity, The Oracle, and Morpheus, followed by Neo • With "Return of the Jedi," at the end, Yoda, Obiwan Kenobi, and Darth Vader, followed by Luke. • With "The Three Musketeers, Aramis, Athos, Porthos (the Pirate), followed by D'artagnan I am here with tools to support that there is a shared imagination, and each author was trying to make sense of things they couldn't possibly because they did not realize they were looking at actual history. All these actors are playing President Obama as perceived by each of their respective writers. Please see what I see… • Eddie Murphy (Trading Places, Beverly Hills Cop, 48 Hours) • Will Smith (Men in Black, Wild Wild West, I, Robot, Independence Day) • Morgan Freeman (Chain Reaction, Evan Almighty, The Dark Knight) • Samuel L. Jackson (The Incredibles (Frozone), Pulp Fiction, Die Hard: With a Vengeance, Patriot Games) …and once you realize how impossible this is, I hope you realize that there is a system that moves ideas through a flow of intelligent data packets called HUMANS through an inner net flow of logic through space time. I really have a proof of intelligent design here. As you can see with your mind's eye, the flying monkeys, the virus in the matrix, the Cardinal's men, the Death Eaters, and Empire are a plane of ideas, but as they are of ideas that are detrimental to the survival of the system, this is an early warning system built into all of us. However, THE MARINES have no idea and cannot help to use them until someone sees what I see. On 23 April 2010, I called Dale Graff (610) 562-5904, who was lead at CIA's Project Stargate. He had no idea these tools were in the Gospels or that they were this old. We have our first case of War of the Worlds, a logical virus. Like the Horcrux in J.K.Rowling's Harry Potter, for anyone to want to WRITE the Torah, knowing it to betray most those who trust it most, catch this logical virus, and it uses people's assets and abilities. In 2003, I put the first FCC-compliant platform for hypnosis into the public domain so that, like the World Wide Web, there was a universal platform for discovery, dissemination and development because, if the US MARINE CORPS knew hypnosis, those "Terror Meters" would never exist. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.hypnosis/browse_thread/thread/424999035c58c6f6?pli=1 My book, filled with comedy, poetry, and the best tools to immediately learn to write software for the human mind, has 5 out of 5 stars, over 13000 reads. The Future's Toolkit is so important, I put it for free downloads as the abuse of the public with hypnosis needs to end. You can build your own copy of the book from this archive: http://reocities.com/dibragerowtcom/book/ If you must have it in print, it's availed at Cafepress, but according to my publisher, in five years, I've only sold two copies, though, in doing this role playing game in public, I had to stop all commercial ventures because this role demanded NO SPIN. I get one chance to be new, and I did this meticulously so that all sides will be happy. http://www.cafepress.com/scrypnosis.52699735 Major General Smedley Butler was right. War is a racket. It has taken me six years to build this case and the FBI has given me the GREEN LIGHT to raise a call to the USMC TO KILL BUSH AND CHENEY, for they have caught a logical virus. Captain Michael Parisi at the US Naval Academy sent them to me in December, 2010. When people lie as a team to all sides, they leave a vapor trail that, now with computers, looks like a massive computer virus moving through a flow of intelligent data packets we call humans through a flow of space-time. We have a problem, and if I can get help, the NATIONAL DEBT will likely disappear, for it was engineered as weaponry, since 1833, by people in the opium business who lie as a team. These people have perfected their attack, but failed because a battle plan was built by a team who saw this 2000 years ago and sent help. I found a bunch of technology sitting dormant, and with a 42-point puzzle I found the book of Matthew, I discovered an argument that Judaism was supposed to have delivered all these tools - for hypnosis, remote viewing, and space-time analysis - over 3000 years ago, but someone who could see through time built a trap so that before all these tools were delivered, the most wicked would never get access. That trap is called "The Torah." I wonder if you would help me catch our first case of DOMESTIC TERRORISM, spanning 178 years and using a battery of viral logistics that were stolen from the DESIGN of the Torah? As a Jewish computer hack, once I found this puzzle, as no one else could see it, I put myself on DUTY and have been at this for six years. With the US Constitution to protect me, I did something very different during the Bush administration. With the arrival of tools to teach how to see through time, from a 2000-year vantage point, Mr. Bush had to be the FALSE PROPHET, the USMC turned out to be THE FLOCK, and by my finding this puzzle, I ended up having to be the SHEPHERD. Having had, in 1992, that strange warm light small voice experience, I rose to role playing the TRUE PROPHET for JUDAISM, a much higher and stronger role than President, in 2006 so every time Mr. Bush upset world leaders at the USA, two heads were better than one. Thus with each diplomatic incident, I delivered all these tools I found encrypted in the Gospels to teach how to see through time, and then pointed to the US MARINE CORPS, who had no idea due to the longest outcome from Manchurian Candidate, and thus revealed a DOUBLE-CROSS. No one wanted Mr. Bush to have any more power, so folks listened to me. These Gospel people SEE US, see a problem in our IMMEDIATE FUTURE, and sent help the only way possible. As I am big on helping family, I did this on my Social Security Disability income so I could prove to those who pay me my SSD that I did the right thing because no one saw it. I am hoping that I can play this hand NOW because Mr. Obama's administration was attacked by the PREVIOUS administration, just like President Lincoln's Administration was attacked, for our Skull and Bones President James Buchanan spent every dollar he could find and caused a tsunami-force wall of anti-trust to COLLAPSE beneath the NEXT administration. As a member of Skull and Bones, Mr. Bush replicated every step, and as this organization has used these logistics as their own, by rising to this role, I drew a line in the sand in January, 2008, with this post at BrooWaha Los Angeles, so IF Bush used these logistics after this day, which he did, he was no longer in Judaism's shadow: http://www.broowaha.com/articles/2957/marines-save-the-usa-from-an-infected-administration I am tracking a group from Yale that learned to lie as a team to all sides, but because the logic for their attack wasn't original, when I found their source from the design of HOW a Torah attacks a hand tool (of two commandments using only thumbs and eight rules using only fingers, which I extracted from this puzzle in the book of Matthew), I discovered an argument worthy of my time. The US CONSTITUTION has been attacked by defective bureaucracy as weaponry! If I can get people to see what I see, all debts owed these villains are null and void, they are devoid of citizenship, all assets, and their lives. They lose so we of the USA can survive. Torah's logistics, while on the surface, seem to exude kindness, they reveal in complex space-time why a great man is screaming to his dying breath, "Forgive them for they know not what they do." All Judaism wanted was goodness and mercy to follow us all of our days, but until computers could we see what the big problem was. A go forth and multiply computer virus GLUTS AND KILLS a complex system, BABEL creates chaos, gentility creates friction, and when combined with Kingdoms, Coinage, Customs and Cubits, we find an intellectual enslavement that could never equate to the "Perfect religion for a slave." Using your own hands, that hand tool is being championed as all that Moses brought. Not "New Testament" but NO TESTAMENT. We, as a species, are DIVIDED BY THE LOGIC OF ANOTHER SPECIES!!! The USMC, who are always faithful, had no idea these tools were here, but President Bush, through his actions, has built a house of cards that he intended to either collapse during his administration or BENEATH the next administration. This is the THIRD TIME this pattern of mismanagement as weaponry has happened to the USA. I need to catch these wicked people so I can earn a title of National Treasure and give the disabled a chance to be enabled. That is not diabetes out there but unspent fuel for the mind. To alleviate this, I am dumping my best works into the public domain so I can expose a coup attempt that has failed. This isn't funny, but if I can get the public to take up a hand tool of two system commands using thumbs and eight rules using fingers so an individual can signal when one has endured ENOUGH TORTURE, Judaism's prime objective is FINALLY completed. As we adjourn, Islam instantly follows because Mohammed, at the request of the guy on the cross, built a world-class anti-virus to the Torah but sets a trigger. According to Mohammed, "Everything is to change on the day that Jesus does battle with the Devil at the Stone." For anyone to turn the two commandments using thumbs and eight rules using fingers, personal barrier between fantasy and reality, into edited stone tablets in a non-commissioned Torah, such an author would be a Devil. What I found DEMANDED world diplomacy at a global dissemination level to all the so-called hate groups for what divides us most is the logic of the Torah AND THEN a small group of wicked **** in the OPIUM business who lie as a [team] to all sides so all hate the other, but in the end, they profit from all the casualties and suffering. This isn't human logic. When that star went supernova, I sent a fax to the Greek Embassy in Washington DC on 19 December 2007, to beg them to begin their judgment of all this work, for this one day turned out to be Mount Arafat Day, a day of which all of Islam foretold that a great judgment would begin. By fulfilling Prophecy, what I'm actually doing is building a computer game using advanced intelligence that just happens to fit when it's piece in the puzzle is realized. The purpose of remote viewing is to see a problem coming and to get everyone out of the way. However, what these bullies did was write policies to make torpedoes to attack the trust people have in this nation so people will want to overthrow the government. That's why the housing rotted after Katrina. They made problems happen because they saw problems coming and abuses these tools. Thus, they are playing macro game design and they suck at it because I found their source, which isn't original for them, but gives a very clear reason why this guy is the Jewish Messiah. Only a Jewish computer geek like me would have found this. Had I not, we'd all be fissioned into submission. I am a computer hacker and I've hacked the matrix, mapped it, and I'm here to deliver the RAPTURE so I can awaken the sleeping US MARINE CORPS so they will see domestic terrorism and they will judge out and kill the 0311, which turned out to a judgment of values based on the the less than 1% of 1% of 1% of the planet who exude to torture AND dishonor AND scapegoat AND lie. All four are rare, but cause such chaos that stealing AND killing follow in great crescendo. Bush and Cheney BOTH had this signature. The ZOMBIES are here because these people have inhuman logic. I've endured censorship of the worst kind, but this project needed NO SPIN, so I shut up and stuck to it. Now, I need all the computer hacks and hypnotists to get these tools and do their own research. My lecture on Being Avatar was rejected for the GDC in Austin. http://c4p.gdconline.com/gdco/edit.php?s=ZuOTO8oke3hf5ck1X6zq This is the THIRD pitched lecture, the other two being on Rebooting Heaven. On Earth as IT IS IN HEAVEN. Blessed are the Meek for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven. Welcome to Heaven. Something went wrong. I'm a hacker, and I NEED HELP now that the 10000 by 10000 computer geeks have arrived for the free upgrade. This stuff is FUN, it beats the hell out of X-Box, and Bill Gates can never stop me. I wrote this article which was published in the UK in the Premiere Issue of Likewise Magazine, entitled, "Walking the Path to Microsoft Hell." http://reocities.com/dibragerowtcom/microsoft.html People build trust in foundations that they expect their foundations to be there forever. No one can plan on when people pull the carpeting out from beneath a corporation or a country. These people are using global extortion, and they, like many others of this viral attack on the whole planet, are caught because LOGIC IS LIFE, and using your own hands, with two system commands using only thumbs and eight rules using only fingers, there are no other rules and no leaders. With a common barrier between fantasy and reality, when you feel a problem, you raise the corresponding digit, and with a RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computer) processor, everyone knows the rules. The Barrier between fantasy and reality must be protected so that when something frightens you and you shout out, "I can't believe this is happening," the game returns to this safe default mode. The head of Stanford University is an expert in RISC processors. We had this over 3000 years ago, and thus, the Promised Land could only be World Peace, and never Palestine. The tools in my book open fantasy gaming without computer graphics. Belief systems run at one minute out here in reality is, once a person is fully up to speed, eight YEARS in the Matrix. All that's happened is wicked people who want to control the world have overtaken our world with so many rules, we forgot we are one species. Like an hourglass, they are the tiny crux between the two halves, but each wicked person let the worst of their imagination become the worst of our reality, and the server doesn't know it's outside of the game. We need a meeting of the minds, and we need it NOW. The Marine Corps League has been informed by me several times, but I need hacks to see all of civilization as if looking at the internet for ten minutes. There are life forms here we did not see moving through a flow of intelligent data packets called humans. I've never been in the news. I only get ONE CHANCE to do this right the FIRST TIME! As a Republican, I am here to see Mr. Obama does not sink nor his ship. He is INNOCENT. If I can catch these wicked people, they lose so the whole nation survives. At this moment, I need to come in from the cold. It sucks being poor, but I should be allowed to achieve the American Dream by protecting everyone else's American Dream. I am firmly of the belief that had the 0311 Riflemen of the USMC known that on 03/11 (March 11) of 03/11 (March 2011), that those exact events of the earthquake and floods noted in Revelations were known to happen on that exact day, you would have helped. The reason they do not know is due to a 178 year attack on the USA that you don't see because... The villains made cannabis illegal the very same day they made THEIR opium illegal AND THEN They created the FBI with a rule that no agent is ever to have used cannabis (someone at DEA had to fight tooth and nail to get cannabis labeled a hypnotic because it awakens the mind's eye) AND THEN They ran Manchurian Candidate Project on the US Marine Corps to frighten an uneducated public so they could get policies in place so neither police nor military could use these best innate abilities AND THEN They created the US Department of Education to set hypnosis only to the most Ph.D. levels of study in psychology, never revealing that it is a COMMUNICATIONS FIELD through and through AND THEN They ran Stargate in the 80's to make remote viewing look like a NEW discovery. Their vapor trails through space-time reveal they were so sure they could REACH ARMAGEDDON, they'd never get caught. THIS IS COMPUTER GAME DESIGN LOGISTICS IN SPACE-TIME. I am an expert in this stuff, and these are not conducive logistics for the PROTECTION OF THIS NATION. If you watch Mr. Bush from 6/5/6 to 6/6/6 to 6/7/6, from his lousy tells, something did not happen as he had planned. On the 5th, he had the smirk of the century. On the 6th, he looks like he's waiting for news, which never comes. On the 7th, just as a press conference ends, he thinks he's off camera and reveals a tell of grave horror. Remember, this is the MOST PROTECTED US PRESIDENT, and he's afraid? With the help of the FBI, we gave Mr. Bush a SMIRKUMCISION. Diplomacy is all about making peace before anyone makes more war. The strongest move was to take responsibility and LEARN from the mistakes. Thus, I apologized to Germany for the only ones who could have stopped Hitler were the Jews. Germany had NO IDEA what happened last time these villains played our world as a computer game. I had to apologize to Madam Chancellor Angela Merkel in Spring, 2008: 1. For the discovery that the Torah was planetary weaponry, filled will evil logistics that betray most those who trust it most. 2. For the discovery that it was used to make the US Civil War and then every single civil war since then, including the Russian and Chinese Revolution. 3. For the discovery that Skull and Bones members were using these logistics. 4. For the discovery that Prescott Bush, by being a member of Skull and Bones, revealed, through his behavior, to have knowledge of these logistics. 5. For the discovery that to have such knowledge, it is clear he did not reveal such to Adolf Hitler. 6. For the discovery that it's not a SWASTIKA but the Bush family inside joke — They DOUBLE-CROSSED Hitler. 7. For the discovery that President Bush was using these logistics at this very moment. I asked her to contact the Israelis for me, and the next morning, with tears streaming down her face on international TV, she cried out to Israel. Her compassion and her love was beyond what I could have ever asked, and I was able to play this role with her help. This time, the loans were in the USA from China. When this happened, having contacted the Israelis and risen to role playing in real life as TRUE PROPHET, every time Mr. Bush did something to place this nation in danger, I delivered all these discoveries from the Gospels, pointed to the USMC, who are always faithful but have no idea these tools are in every copy of the Gospels, and thus revealed a double-cross. With the Chinese, I sent a fax in January when they bought the national debt, which you can read online at: http://www.reocities.com/dibragerowtcom/chinese.html President Dmitri Medvedev, 29 August 2008, was screaming mad at his discovery of American Military Advisers in the Georgian Russian incident. When I realized Mr. Bush was using Risk by Parker Brothers and Diplomacy by Avalon Hill logistics in his approach to actual US Diplomacy, I took to testing the "Blessed are the peacemakers" and it worked. By sending a fax to the Washington DC embassy and delivered all these tools AS JEWISH PROPHET, the Russians backed down from war because no one wanted Mr. Bush to have access to any more power than he did. This video explains all in about 11 minutes: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4d8bf58b27/being-avatar With the ability to see through time, I have built a computer game using caches of ACTUAL US HISTORY as a DEFENSIVE WEAPON so that we can stop this madness. I need to play this hand ASAP. For all history up through May, 2008, you'll find it at the archive: http://www.reocities.com/dibragerowtcom/project.html and for my paper trail in public, so that the US Government and powers that be knew everything I was doing, I used my myspace.com/scrypnosis blog, which you can directly read by going to DavidBragerForPresident.com". I needed this domain so that people, like the President of Russia and the Chinese Government, would see ME as a contender, and see that Mr. Bush was not playing the ROLE of PRESIDENT, but prove, from a 2000 year vantage point, that Mr. Bush was a FALSE PROPHET. Look at the vapor trails. The ONLY CONTRACTOR during the Bush coup was Haliburton, and without warning, they UP AND LEFT TO DUBAI. From their actions, they knew the NUKES were coming, but with all the work I did, all that exists are vapor trails of deceit and subterfuge. This economic nightmare can end. All members of Skull and Bones, the Business Plot, the White House Putsch, and the P-NAC document must lose CITZENSHIP, ALL ASSETS, ALL DEBTS WE OWE THEM, and their lives. They planned, played, and performed a coup, but a good JEW gave his life to save all our lives 2000 years later. That's a SAVIOR worthy of HONOR, but what Mohammed is going to teach this world is profound, for we have an asteroid on its way in 17 years and we don't have time to be bickering over a 3000 year old mistake. The Symbol of Islam is the next quest, and I've been working on this for years. My resume for this role playing game, with all publications, is at this link: http://reocities.com/dibragerowtcom/resume.html Please help me deliver this miracle of the Rapture. Please disseminate this to every MARINE, communications expert, psychologist, hacker and hypnotist on the planet you know ASAP because this global economic nightmare was engineered and only WE will see it. We need everyone to see what we can see. I get ONE CHANCE TO BE NEW, and Rodney Dangerfield told me the best thing I had was my hypnosis stuff, so by leveling the playing field for the whole species, the goodwill will SHINE. Here's all the historic things I've done before today: I have been busy making inroads with history so that, when this task came to fruition, I had enough interesting data to feed the fire at least for about five years. I have a hard drive of ideas for new projects, but what follow are of other truths. * I developed and then placed the world's first FCC compliant method to hypnosis into the international public domain in 2003. * I gave the commercial rights to the Basic All In One reboot/rebirth sequence for humans, which fixes Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in two hours run one time ever, to the United Nations in 2004. * I broke the story about Microsoft Anti-Trust behavior about six months prior to the first legal case, in the Premiere Issue of Likewise Magazine (and I have a copy with me) * I was published for science fiction in the Premiere Issue of Little Green Men magazine. * I am a member of ASCAP because an LA rapper used eleven tracks of my work on his album Ghetto Quality. * I was a student member of the Dramatists Guild of America, and will be a pro member once my career starts. * My personal anecdote is the very last story in the first Darwin Awards book. * I won in Comedy Central's first internet talent contest for family humor, * I've been published in print and on the internet in thirty articles. * My web page "Klinefelter's Syndrome & Me" was the first web page on the topic, and stands to this day as still one of the more linked sites on the web and around the world. * My website was the first to support answering any hypnosis question. I now have an archive of questions between my website's FAQ and the Yahoo discussion group. * Dave's Coming Out Card has been one of the most reused tools on the web for coming out (though I'm MARRIED (approaching 23 years)) so I'll pry take hell for this. * I've been accepted to United Who's Who. * I am a member of the International Honour Society Golden Key. * I earned the CTM certification from Toastmasters International in four months. * I've won blue and other ribbons for poetry at county fairs. * I was on a nationally syndicated soap opera when I was 5. I cannot see why no one will take an interest in me unless I am somehow being sequestered without my comprehension, but I ask you to take my case and let me shine. I am XXY and no one with this birth defect has ever been taken as being all that important because we were lower intellect. That's all about to change because the time has come for humankind to meet its destiny and not its oblivion. This role demanded no spin, but I'm at the point where, if anyone wanted to add spin, all the work is DONE. I wonder if you would direct me on where to take all these tools and talents so that I can grow and bring about great change and discovery when this world thought it had learned all it could? I need to get back to commercial work, but until the Rapture is delivered, I cannot get any credit because Jesus and Christ are titles, and titles, like degrees, must be earned from a TON OF WORK. Based on a the Sanctuary relationship between Greece and Rome, either title was a stay of execution, and had Greece access to fax machine or email, like today, either title would have saved a good man's life. For me, a junior papered member of his family, to earn BOTH TITLES for him, 2000 years later, has been a nightmare, but all the work is done. Please help me upgrade civilization and get cannabis decriminalized because that's not diabetes but unspent fuel. We, as a species, are divided by the logic of another species, and it's time we came of age. All the problems with GAY go away. The Torah's logic is not human, it's killing this world, and it needs to be realized for what it is so that we can reunite as one species, trigger Judgment Day, and REBOOT HEAVEN. We've lost a lot of lovely people. If we can get these tools to the hackers, just 2000 years ago, they did fishes AND loaves AND raising the dead. Born Again looks to be a reboot for the body, and I can't do all the work. If this is Heaven, let's get the DEVILS the hell out of here. We don't need any more holocausts to make the Bush family rich. There are riches here beyond the norm. This is Judaism's one shot at international GLORY. We go out with a BANG, Islam Follows, and all exposed using the logic of the Torah as weaponry are dead meat. This is not Game Over. This is REBOOT. This game needs to REBOOT. Someone had to rise to this role, so having done all the work, I am the LAST JEWISH PROPHET. Had Moses been allowed to bring these tools, Moses would have been the last Jewish Prophet because there never would have been Jews, but the Promised Land was World Peace. For anyone to double-cross all of Germany using logistics pulled from the Design of the Torah while standing with a creative artist and turning his world upside down just so they can create a monster, what happened to Adolf Schicklgruber is what happened to the man who built WTC, and is happening to the people in Gitmo. These people are making terrorists to attack us because we trust their decisions, but as tracked through time, their wickedness is exposed. I'm trying to get this to key people. I have gone to concentric circles, from governments, beginning in 2005, inwards, to more and more local. I'm also sending these to CEO's and major players. By having built a foundation for new discovery and business, we can take out the FUN STUFF, and while that's happening, then we trigger Judgment Day, for the enemy does not know we know they exist. They did not see that all these movies, like Clash of the Titans, Inkheart, Alice in Wonderland, Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, and so many more where there's a penultimate battle between forces of good and evil are this moment where we reboot the whole system back 3000 years and expose how the ethereal logic driver, which WROTE THE TORAH, broke through the barrier between fantasy and reality ONE TIME. It wanted to earn your respect as to HOW INTELLIGENT IT IS, for with the deliver of the BIG TRAP, just when we need one, The key to these 9/11 and the first Bombing and the failed 6/6/6 attacks were all in NYC. To trigger raising a call to the US MARINE CORPS, I need to get New York City to see they were attacked by the Bush family so the Bush family could trigger great fear and force a coup from the helm. What humankind never expected was for the system itself to see the wicked and set traps with such precision in space-time dynamics for these wicked people to be seen by so many people in history who found the abilities to see through time, saw a terrifying problem in the future, and from their moment in space-time, added to this project so, in the future when all points came to be as one, we'd see how everyone has tried to get Judaism to RUN from the Torah. That's why there is the Star of David. Using the hand tool in JUDGMENT, we see he Adulterated with Bathsheba and then Scapegoated her husband, who died. These are two triangles, thus being David's SINS. So long as the Torah remains in effect, Judaism is not interfacing with civilization. A good Jewish son got a message to the future about THE KING OF THE JEWS, KING DAVID. It had nothing to do with the man on the cross personally, but for him to make this happen with this precision, such was worth me getting off my ass and building this computer game in space-time so the whole family will see a second issuance of two titles, 2000 years later, for his actions caused such peace, such kindness was not comprehended 2000 years ago as BEING an anti-virus to the LOGIC of the Torah. For anyone to use the Torah to discover how to lie as a team to all sides so only one's values move forward as all others, who trust, collapse and die away, from all sides, this reveals why Islam sees only the Great Satan when looking at the USA. When you track what happened to world history from 3000 years ago up to 1832, there are RANDOM patterns of problems, like Gaijin or the Cass System, that spun away from Judaism's Gentility. It was the WRONG MESSAGE, but now, the right trap. Someone had to take the big hit for the responsibility of this mistake, or it would perpetuate into eternal damnation, for when you analyze the logic of the Torah, it is a divide and conquer of the species, breaking down communications (BABEL), genders (ADAM'S RIB), and belief systems, instills the values of SECRECY, ENCRYPTION, SLAVERY, COINAGE, CUSTOMS, and KINGDOMS. All these concepts are heavily based in the values of the movements of MATTER. But to have Judaism repeat the whole mess year after year, we missed a continuity error. The BEST WRITING is at Manna, and the WORST WRITING is at the base of Sinai. When you slice here, you see the true flow of logic for its construction, and thus, reveal such intellect, but NOT HUMAN INTELLECT. The learning here is stellar, it's been here a long time, and we're finally intelligent enough to NOT FREAK OUT. It's a very simple concept to uninstall all the rules and rebuild this barrier because people love to SLEEP and this tool, once you get to using it, allows you to be highly productive while stoned out of your mind because you don't need to talk. All you need to do is make decisions and then synaptically trigger action. Once, when I was first using the Relax Electromyograph interface, while in a subconscious state induced by the hypnotic cannabis, my body discovered it had a new limb, and without my cognitive ability to stop it, my mind watched as my body adapted to the technology. It was weird, but when I started testing, this looks like this is part of our design. We were supposed to adapt to making limbs and using synaptic response. It's here I began to look at the concept of being avatar on a remote planet, but the instruction manual for the interface might have been so complicated and the information so dangerous, it would need to be encrypted so if ever it fell into the wrong hands, it would beat up that civilization until it was INTELLIGENT enough to question WHY ARE WE FOLLOWING THIS THING, and once that happened, would then, as I'm showing here, reveal such learning for the MIND, not the body, that it would implant the RIGHT ANSWER for everything because the Torah was the WRONG ANSWER FOR EVERYTHING. When you overlap Mr. Spock's hand symbols into this shape: http://reocities.com/dibragerowtcom/hands.jpg Now, place this over your forehead so the puffy parts rest against the edges of your eyes and your thumbs rest in your temples. The Torah told us to cover the BACKS of our heads, when clearly, we were supposed to cover the FRONTS. The Torah told us to put block of wood where there is clearly to be an OPENING. The Torah as an answer for everything, but only the WRONG ANSWER because it is DOUBLE-ENCRYPTED, and with the hand tool as the RIGHT ANSWER, when you stand the Torah PERPENDICULAR to the floor, and walk the path of space-time from Sinai to Manna, we find all the ethereal concepts on the LEFT SIDE OF THE WALL, but on the material side, nothing is written. Now, with this being a primer for the imagination, we find that the Egyptian Army in this fantasy is, in our reality, these idiots that picked up this device and used it as their own weaponry. When the world unites as seen by the author as the RED SEA uniting, these villains have seen their defeat all these millennium. Thus, the penultimate battle from those aforementioned movies are this same corridor as perceived by the author of the Torah from its position in space-time. Humankind is about to evolve. May it be through the Greatest of my Human Kindness. What happened to Adolf Schicklgruber, to turn him INTO Adolf Hitler, once you see how foundations of trust were betrayed at mammoth scales by wicked people who shifted the trust beneath the entire nation of Germany by pulling the loans made by President Woodrow Wilson after WWI, as the Skull and Bones people stood around him and pointed at Jews, saying we did this, in my finding all these tools to these logistics in the Torah, the STRONGEST MOVE was to apologize to the German Chancellor. It was the hackers approach to fixing the game within the game. We are in Heaven. We are in greater gaming technology than our current money can buy. I just need the hackers to see the FREE UPGRADE and the villains to see that we have grown tired of their wars. It is far easier to ask our protectors to just judge out and kill the less than 1% of 1% of 1% who have let that intellect which drives the game to have control over their avatars, for one single person, who made this mistake, WROTE the Torah and caused this much grief for over 3000 years. We cannot survive the future until we uninstall, reboot, and remove the defective cyborgs from this game. We have control down to the DNA level, and possibly down to the Quark. The system is tinary system, and we discovered this when trying to turn atoms into bits. With atoms, we get not only an ON or OFF state, but also a NOT ON/NOT OFF state. With the puzzle in Matthew, the key to the 42 is any three concepts being one set for evaluation but having a logical relation of two of one thing and one of another in two different ways. Once it meets this criteria, you then pull all three concepts together in your mind's eye to make them ONE and from this, then extrapolate all the things in common. When then assessing this against all 12 dimensions of logic, we find patterns of strength in some dimensions and weakness in others. 9/11 Two buildings of one design, one of another. Two hit by planes. All three fell down. HOW? What would have be common? Seismographs set to countdown timers set to explosives. Fishes, Loaves, Raising the Dead. Fishes and Loaves are FOOD for Raised Dead. Fishes and Raised Dead can be GROWN from a single cell. A loaf, in space-time dynamics, is a nightmare. All three were reproduced so many times they were witnessed by THOUSANDS who could not comprehend FIRE, let alone computers. What would make ALL THREE HAPPEN? Teleporters and Matter-Rearrangers. Hypnosis is computational logic in human language. You're in high tech, and miracles must never come with price tags. Please get these tools to the hackers. We've a lot of discovery to do, but we are one species, divided by the LOGIC of another species. We need to uninstall and REBOOT. World peace is ONLY PERSONAL PEACE and then multiplied by the population of the planet. I bring tools to your technology. Please learn, share with your kids, and evolve. Please partner with me and set the world free. I cannot do this alone. This is a project for WORLD PEACE in 48 hours. Please get these tools to hacks so we can Reboot Heaven. Please put me forward for a Nobel. If there is any way anyone can get me to Cologne for your event, I'd love to attend, but until this role is put to bed with FINESSE, I must not play any spin. Most respectfully, David Brager 517 Newcomer Street Richland, WA 99354-2243173 509-946-4471

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Danish Thanvi

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Please see this link for updated videos and photos : http://www.pakalertpress.com/2011/08/09/alert-london-set-to-be-under-martial-law-in-next-24-hours-%E2%80%93-pictures-videos/

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Vincent Wright

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The real tragedy of the London riots...

If the news media is sick, we can't expect them to show us signs of health. (I maintain that the news media is sick and that it works diligently to pass its sickness on to us...THINK of just how much healthier our societies around the globe would be were we to have a news media which helped bring us news about hard working entrepreneurs like Simon Dixon...) Thanks kindly for your very thoughtful post, Simon... Keep STRONG! Linkedin.com/in/VincentWright | Ning Brandergy | Brandergy.com | Facebook Brandergy | | Linkedin Brandergy |

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Stella Holman "The Connector"

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Sadly, some people enjoy violence and it doesn't matter what the issue is they will get involved without a thought to anything!!! I was following the news on Twitter with the .#londonriots , made it sound horrific. My prayers went out to everyone and also the people I knew who were in London that evening for business events. Kind regards Stella Holman-TheConnector . Social Media Visibility Consultant - FREELANCE INDEPENDENT - and also with Geert Conard Management Solutions I will support you to "Get in the Conversation and Create your Niche" DO YOU NEED A HOLIDAY? We offer an entirely new way to TRAVEL. Leave your contact details and I will get back to you,.

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mark wing

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Images on the news last night reminded me of the Blitz... not that I was there during the war, but how I imagined it to have looked and felt from image archives. Frightening!

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Jon Wade

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Some people want anarchy without really understanding what that means. Others just want to make trouble. It is all mindless thuggery though. No different from football hooligans who target specific matches as they know that in large enough numbers they can have a good fight and get away with it. But there are always so many reasons for something like this starting. People are blaming the shooting, but the accounts I heard suggested that the man shot (not child) was a known gang leader who travelled by taxi between his main 2 patches and was also carrying a weapon. Easy to blame the police for being trigger happy, but it may have been a case of shoot or be shot. And the people organising the riots are love gang culture and see this as an opportunity to show that they "rule". Mostly I think it is a typical sheep-mob culture. Most of them are looting and burning simply because they see others getting away with it.

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Annabel Kaye

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We have been working hard today to help businesses near our office (croydon) to clear up the mess and not fall foul of employment law. The truth is we watched it on TV, we tweeted it, we facebooked it. We need to do a very old fashioned thing - shun these people. Ask the TV to do the same - just plain reporting, no exciting TV shots, just gangs in Croydon (fill in the dots for where) misbehaving, same old same old rubbish and trouble. Last night I suggested that the middle class and business owners, who get the bill for all this ultimately, take to the streets at 10.30 with hot chocolate, horlicks, bedtime books and algebra tests. We should not allow these hooligans to take over the world, but quietly take back the streets - not a confrontational way. This is our country, we pay for it and these are our streets. Horlicks anyone? Tel: 08452 303050 e-mail: info@irenicon.co.uk twitter: annabelkaye www.irenicon.co.uk Employment law with attitude www.koffeeklatch.co.uk www.balancingthebump.com

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Barry Neil

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These criminals have nothing to do with getting a message across, it has nothing to do with social factors -apart from the fact that they are on the dole - it is simple opportunistic criminal activity, hiding behind fake emotions. Just look at the coverage and you will see what level of people they are. The response from the police has been poor - stand back and let them loot and pillage. Sorry I have no truck with this poor downtrodden people - criminals they are and thats how they should be handled. Hope the courts hand down really hard sentences for them all.... And guess who pays - us hard working taxpayers....

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Errol [Multi-Talent] Baptiste

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Basically it is very sad the rioters had destroyed the businesses and livelihoods of ordinary hard working people in London.

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Iain McGuigan

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It should be pointed out that the protest by the family and friends of the shot man and their supporters was peaceful and orderly. The family and friends have condemned the violence and destruction and repeatedly asked for it to cease. I personally believe that this has very little to do with the shooting and more to do with new trainers and phones and causing trouble.

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Jeff Mowatt

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Simon, A chance inclusion in an email list very early this morning gave me the opportunity to reply to several people working for The Economist about this in the context of a discussion on youth and future capitalism. Just two days ago, I wrote asking on Linkedin if Ukraine's tragedy was also our tragedy.. What I was getting at that having committed to being the change and laying out how it could be deployed on a national scale, all we end up with is rhetoric. Much the same again in the Guardian, where I find what came originally from social enterprise 'being the change' being attributed to those still talking about it, My conclusion that we will stand alone in investing in community wealth development while the think tanks and business schools make money from talking the walk. So here it is again after 15 years. We can engage the web to create a new social focus to capitalism. Now's the time to stop talking about it and support those actually doing it.

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Nick Dewey

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I believe that part of the problem is failure to adjust to new conditions. One of the reasons that I started to build the solar panels is that I realized that I had to adjust to changing conditions. One of the reasons that I work over the internet is that I realized that I had to adjust to changing conditions. One of the reasons that i got into fruit and vegetable dehydration was that I realized that i had to adjust to changing conditions. One of the reasons that i was interested in growing my own vegetables and thus to cut down bills was that I realized that I had to adjust to new conditions. The question is how can we teach these people the tools of thinking that are needed to help them to have the entrepreneurial flair to be able to learn how to adjust and therefore to be able to maintain their standards of success and achievement without stealing or expressing their hatred through violence. How can we teach them to manage their emotions so that they don't just become hate fueled thugs? We need a new educational system and we need one fast. Nick Dutch Tarot Entertainer Twitter || Occult Videos || Tarot Reading VideosII Triond Blog Nick Dutch Tarot Reader in Oxfordshire | Promote Your Page Too

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